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A NOTE FROM THE FRONT LINES OF TREASURE HUNTING / UNDERSEA EXPLORATION
IN 1987 A SUCCESSFUL ADMIRALTY CLAIM WAS FILED - BY AN INDIVIDUAL IN BEHALF OF A GROUP LATER TO INCORPORATE - ON AN UNKNOWN SHIPWRECK SHIPWRECK SITE THAT HAS COME TO BE KNOWN AS THE JUPITER WRECK SITE.
A YEAR LATER PASSAGE OF THE ABANDONNED SHIPWRECK ACT BY CONGRESS WAS PAST. HOWEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UPHELD JUPITER WRECK, INC.S' LEGITIMATE CLAIM THE JUPITER SHIPWRECK SITE HAS CONSITANTLY YIELDED TREASURE - SHARED BETWEEN BOTH THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND PRIVATE SECTOR EVER SINCE!
MANY FORCES OVER THE YEARS HAVE THREATENED TO DERAIL THE POSITIVE BENEFITS A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE CAN HAVE FOR ALL OF US - BUT IT HAS CONTINUED TO PERSEVERE... WHY DO YOU AS TREASURE HUNTERS THINK THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT? AND, WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP IT AND THE AGE OF DISCOVERY - ALIVE?
Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered... There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer. Join with us this year!
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Capt. Dom and other interested parties.
How does anyone expect to keep the Age of Discovery alive when there are some many trying to stop Treasure Hunting altogether and the Law of 1987 will also change as soon as it is challenged as it was in 2000.
No one wants to hear this but it is coming never the less.
Peg leg
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Cornelious,
I have a current U.S.C.G. Inspected of Inspected Vessels - Masters Certificate. It is going into its 6th renewal.
We are assuming it is the San Miguel - however no bell or definative artifact has been tied to that vessel as of yet. The research is based first on Rober Marx early Santo Domingo citations, followed up with additional research by Eugene Lyons, Victoria Staples Johnson and later Robert Stenuit.
No, we do not have - as of yet a outgoing manifest. Aviso vessels often didn't have manifests - as they were chartered vessels by the House of Trade or Crown and there Masters could carry other cargos of merit.
We have found placer gold nuggets from time to time over the years as I pictued in an earlier posting and as placer or alluvial gold is not from the Loxahatdhee... well... we are making an assumtion... If there is some their should be more. we have also found flakes of gold on concreted artifacts.
Before 1987 and me finding the first coins on this wreck site - I am the first to state, "Going into the water meant something fell off the boat!"
Earl - now president of JWI worked for me at a marina I owned. We were friends and he infact - signed me up for scuba certification about two months before we found the wreck site!
I have dove from the South of France, Central and South America, and the Pacific.
Until I can make this shipwreck make some sense - I have no desire to be involved with another one.
I will leave that to all the specialists & professionals that are out there.
Capt Dom
Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered... There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer. Join with us this year!
Want to treasure dive in gin clear waters at Jupiter!
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Re: A NOTE FROM THE FRONT LINES OF TREASURE HUNTING / UNDERSEA EXPLORATION
Reply to Peg Leg,
As long as fieresly independant treasure hunters continue to pee on each others leg and don't work together as a team to protect individual rights these "interest group driven legislation and laws are going to be passed and the "rats will continue to be the ones guarding the cheeze" as Peter Leo always use to say.
This forum and Treasurenet.com are the perfect vechile to build an interest group to protect all of our individual rights. And so is the jupiter Wreck Project!
Why, because we still have the right to work and can be capable of doing a good - no great job.
How? By acting as a Brifging Corporation - representing both the public & private interrests...
Capt Dom
Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered... There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer. Join with us this year!
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I don't have any doubt that gold in the form of "placer" or flake are to be found on the Jupiter wreck site...just look at the 1715 wreck-site at Rio Mar, Vero Beach.
Ask a few of the T- hunters that actually ran a Sluice box with the material from the Rio Mar reefs.
Why? is there a debate on if gold has been found on the Jupiter wreck site? My thoughts, of course there is....gold will be found on most anything anywhere...when the fever of it has taken over the man, it ran through with the blood of many.
Hope they find a lot more........
Good hunting
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Cornelius,
I cut and pasted your name so i would be sure to get it right.
don't get this wrong... I am not trying to teach you anything. I am just attempting to answer your inquiry.
In the good old U. S. of A. The United States Coast Guard is the Federal governemental agency that is charged with the proceedure of the testing and issuance of Maritime Licences. Both inspected and un-inspected. There are 6 pack licences for 6 passengers and under with limited tonage. There are 100 ton Ocean operators licences. and It goes on. I have a Master's Ticket for Inspected Vessels.
If you wish to know more about my licence I suggest you contact the Miami USCG District.
Thank you.
My military background was in the U.S. Air force during the vietnam era 1968 through 1972.
Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered... There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer. Join with us this year!
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Capt. Dom, what happened to Peter Leo? Isn't he the one who originally found the wreck? By the way, Eugene Lyons called me and said he doesn't have anything on the San Miguel. He directed me to Victoria Johnson. I called her in Seville and she said she only has 6 pages of documents that she got 20 years ago. Robert Stenuit has about 1,000 pages of documents and possibly a manifest but he wants $12,000 for it!
Want to treasure dive in gin clear waters at Jupiter!
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Re: A NOTE FROM THE FRONT LINES OF TREASURE HUNTING / UNDERSEA EXPLORATION
A series of good questions Salvor 6.
Seahunter bought Peter Leo's stock last year.
As there was a stockholders agreement it took an approval of all original stockholders for this to occur as Jupiter Wreck Inc. is a closed corporation. We all approved of the transaction because we wanted an infusion of new enthusiam and possibly a fresh approach to JWI proceeding with the exploration.
As you all can see Seahunter has indeed brought much needed interest and discoveries - along with sharing the adventure of discovery to others. My hat is off to him.
Peter always had other interests - mostly sailing and he is pursuing them. A lot of people discovered Jupiter Wreck! Its still being discovered! Two surfers told Peter of the whereabouts of the cannons a few days before he happened across them while doing a morning work out. After we began our research into the event were were to find two tourists from Maine found them a year earlier and wrote the State about it - sent them a letter and the State's reply was, to paraphrase - "Oh we know they are there" thankyou, they are ours "Go away"! Peter and I met a character named L.Frank Hudson a retired "spook" during WW2 whose passion was treasure research and he had a pencilled drawing of 4 of the cannons placment.
Now, you have to remember... they were sitting there for over 340 years - being periodically covered and uncovered by the shifting sands of an estuary that was dramatically altered in 1920! From 1920 to the mid 1980's a lot of sand was sumped at the site because had been designated a dump site for about 4 major and on going inlet management and beach nourishment efforts.
We are in a sense digging in a dump!
As I said a lot of people discovered the cannons... We were the first to do legitimately something about it - making it public knowledge that it was there and undertaking the long term responcibility to investigate its relavance.
Good research costs money. As does diesel fuel, insurance, breakdowns, slippage and the list goes on and on.
I have always been squeezing the piss out of the buffalo keeping our group's above expense ultimately covered and never have had the extra cash to chase after Stenuit abet - I new he was out there and had data. I know Seahunter was making an effort to find Stenuit - He is not cheap and has capital resources . . . Maybe he will pay Stenuit.
Manaifests aren't just used to identify vessels they usually are used to raise money from investors or backers.
I always figured the yield of the recovery should be far more important than what may have been on the ship.
And, the only definative - well marked artifact in the 78 pound ingot Peter and found back in the late 1980's
Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered... There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer. Join with us this year!
Want to treasure dive in gin clear waters at Jupiter!
Nov 2006
Jupiter, Florida USA
810
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Re: A NOTE FROM THE FRONT LINES OF TREASURE HUNTING / UNDERSEA EXPLORATION
Remember the hollow earth theroy!
But if you have all of his papers.. you know some of his stuf was right on..
Now lets revisit the question who discovered the jupiter wreck site...
A better question is who was the first to actually do something about it?
Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered... There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer. Join with us this year!
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