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    Yes, Captain Robin is still lost at sea. Rescue efforts are still ongoing. Below is a picture of the Bounty taken from the rescue helicopter.


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    For larger ships many times the best course of action in an impending storm is to get her underway as to save her from a certain death at the dock. That being said however, with the ample time everyone had to get prepared this does seem rather confusing as to why a not so seaworthy replica vessel would brave a large named storm so late in the game? Hopefully all the details to come will shed a little more light on just what their plan was! Either way a very sad and tragic story !!

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    I toured the Bounty and the Pride of Baltimore II when both were docked in Milwaukee, WI one day. Both the Bounty and the Pride (I) were able seacraft. Heading into the hurricane is not fun... but a reasonable choice in such circumstances. Without getting into the reasons, if the captain felt heading "in" was the best.... it must have been. TTC
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    Some folks may consider me an opportunist but with this loss comes a unique opportunity!
    Take a look at the photos attached.Click image for larger version. 

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    What an opportunity to video document what the actual ravage of a major storm event
    has on an ancient sailing vessel! Actual salvage of her most probably is not a viable option
    but the scientific documentation of the aftermath of is sad event can answer many questions
    and suppositions of what follows a major sailing vessels initial sinking.

    If anyone may be interested in this type of a project contact
    me.

    We have the right vessel for the job. She is called the "New World Explorer".

    Here is a photo.Click image for larger version. 

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    Last edited by capt dom; Oct 31, 2012 at 09:40 AM.
    Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered...  There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer.  Join with us this year!

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    If she didn't sink in too deep of waters, a diver with an HD camera and good lighting could really shed a lot of light on a deep-water sinking affect on these ships.

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    I agree with Salvor6 There is questions that needed to be asked?

    The vessel was up for sale the past few years. No takers the owner wanted to retire. There was no need to risk the lifes of the crew for the storm of the century.

    Crow

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    I heard she had mech failure on her diesel engines and was at the mercy of the storm. If no engines did she loose her ability to bilge?How large were the swells?

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    Unfortunately, she sank in about 13,000 feet of water. It will take some serious unmanned equipment to study the wreck. Luckily, the USCG goofed up and gave the exact coordinates of the sinking to anyone with the smarts to dig it out. I know I did. :-)

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    Gotta love embedded GPS, eh? Check your email, bud :-)

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    Sorry Darren, I was so busy yesterday I didn't get back to you. I'll see you tomorrow at 10. Looking forward to showing you around. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaFinder View Post
    Unfortunately, she sank in about 13,000 feet of water. It will take some serious unmanned equipment to study the wreck. Luckily, the USCG goofed up and gave the exact coordinates of the sinking to anyone with the smarts to dig it out. I know I did. :-)
    Yep, that took me about 2 minutes to track down! Were you talking about 11:23:11Z pic?

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    The dilemma with those coords is that the vessel was still afloat when the photo was taken. There's no telling how much longer she stayed adrift before completely sinking. Hatteras currents are fierce, and I assume the USCG didn't follow her until she completely sank. But even a slow descent at 13000 fsw could have her resting miles away. We know of many wrecks found far away from their reported coords.

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    True Darren, based on the time stamps and GPS of the original pics (which all had meta data when first released), she was making approximately 4 knots while half submerged. There is a high degree of error in that statement because the coordinates give us the helicopters position that the pics were taken from, not the vessel itself. Still its safe to say she was travelling northward as she sank. Based on how long it took her to go down, she could have travelled a looong ways on her 13,000 foot decent to the sea floor. Regardless, a deep sonar would likely make quick work of finding her as long as it is done within the next year or so. I hope somebody located her and maybe send an ROV down to check on her once in a while...there would certainly be a lot to learn from that endeavor.

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    I totally agree, Jas. I do hope she is surveyed and found soon. It's safe to say she was moving NE due to the Gulf Stream current bending around the cape. It's also safe to say that she likely went further east as the Labrador Current collides with the Gulf Stream there and forces objects further out than inward. I have researched quite a few lifeboat drifts from WW2 and they're always pushed out that direction when wrecked in the same general area. No exceptions thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason in Enid View Post
    Yep, that took me about 2 minutes to track down! Were you talking about 11:23:11Z pic?
    One has to go pretty far off shore to find 13,000 feet of water in the Hatteras area. What are the USCG coordinates?
    Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered...  There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer.  Join with us this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren in NC View Post
    The dilemma with those coords is that the vessel was still afloat when the photo was taken. There's no telling how much longer she stayed adrift before completely sinking. Hatteras currents are fierce, and I assume the USCG didn't follow her until she completely sank. But even a slow descent at 13000 fsw could have her resting miles away. We know of many wrecks found far away from their reported coords.
    HERE, here.... all of this data adds to the body of knowledge of what happens to these types of sinking vessels, be it in the 17th century or today....!
    Since 1987 our Jupiter Wreck has continued to yield coins but the question, "Where's the rest of the Ship?" has remained unanswered...  There are 2 layers of shipwreck scatter and we are equipping the "Enterprise" to excavate the primary treasure layer.  Join with us this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt dom View Post
    One has to go pretty far off shore to find 13,000 feet of water in the Hatteras area. What are the USCG coordinates?
    33 54.193 73 50.344

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnmountains View Post
    I heard she had mech failure on her diesel engines and was at the mercy of the storm. If no engines did she loose her ability to bilge?How large were the swells?
    The bilges probably were on a system that included a generator unit in case of main engine failure. If the main engines failed, the vessel cannot hold the bow into the wind, which means it is in danger of going broadside to the wind and broaching..... very probable as the waves indicate it is in a broadside attitude. Also, Once the owner files his insurrance claim, the vessel becomes the property of the insurrance company. Ins company would ok any salvage. Hmmm, did the owner deliberately.... no, I won't go there. Anyway, the sailing community has suffured a great loss. TTC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diver_Down View Post
    the seaworthiness of the vessel
    I'm no expert on this sort of thing but I too visited the ship when it was here in town and intuitively speaking, it struck me more as a giant Hollywood prop than a craft built to endure a real life hurricane in violent seas.

    Thoughts for the families of those who didn't make it. That gal sure was pretty.
    "There comes a time in every rightly-constructed boy's life when he has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure..." - Twain

 

 
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