ivan salis
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when dealing with old Spanish shipwreck information / documents ..often small seemingly unimportant things are actually VERY IMPORTANT ... FOR EXSAMPLE ... the way Spanish and English are spoken is different -- in English we say " the red house" while in Spanish it is "the house red" --- thus a old Spanish shipwreck document that a modern English speaking person "straight translates" without taking into account how the language is spoken would read .as follows..." the wreckage of a large vessel or vessels was found on the coast north of St Augustine " this is what would occur on a "straight word swap type of translation" changing word for word via a Spanish / English dictionary ... the flaw in this is clear it does not take into account how Spanish is spoken different than English once that is taken into account the proper statement would be thus " the wreckage of a large vessel or vessels was found on the NORTH COAST OF ST AUGUSTINE..
another important detail to remember when doing treasure ship research is the fact that many times there are similar "religiously" named vessels from many time frames ...like oh SAN MIGUEL IN THE 1715 FLEET ... this is due to the Spanish invoking the saints to "protect" them at sea ..so they gave their ships religious "names" often the owners patron saint was used ..so their could be multiple "our lady of the rosary"...or similar ...with similar names and with them sinking close together .time frame wise ..say 1715 ...1733 this could be very messy indeed..
THUS A SMALL BUT HUGE DIFFERANCE ... between "on the coast north of St Augustine" vs "on the north coast of St Augustine" ... this exsample is from the 1715 fleet records ... and could easily lead folks to look in the wrong area off on a wild goose chase ..or cause them to think that the "records" are saying wrecks are in one area when in fact they are elsewhere ... many have thought that this means that because of this "information" that 1715 fleet type items found in NASSAU SOUND ---( WHICH IS NORTH OF ST AUGUSTINE) is from 1 of 2 "missing" 1715 main fleet vessels ( the French prize EL CIERVO or the Spanish vessel nao --SAN MIGUEL from Echerevz 's fleet) --- BUT THERE ARE OTHER RECORDS ( SPOTWOODS LETTER TO LORD STANHOPE OF ENGAND DATED OCT 24TH OF 1715 IN A PS AT THE BOTTOM---WHICH CLEARLY EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHERE THE GOODS THAT CAME FROM NASSAU SOUND ACTUALLY COME FROM ** A RECOVERY VESSEL SENT FROM HAVANA , CUBA TO THE 1715 WRECK SITES TO RECOVER ROYAL TREASURE AND VIPS OFF THE COAST ..WHICH WHILE ENROUTE BACK TO SPAIN ..SANK ABOUT 40 MILES NORTH OF ST AUGUSTINE (NASSAU SOUND IS 40 MILES NORTH OF ST AUGUSTINE) ...so once one understands what the records are saying one know that there are 2 completely different wrecks ... one from the 1715 main fleet along the north coast of St Augustine and a second wreck which was a recovery vessel sent later on from Havana -- now the recovery vessel could be a real 1715 fleet treasure trove being it had upon it high value royal items recovered from the main fleet shipwrecks ..as well as VIP'S and their recovered goods as well..
another important detail to remember when doing treasure ship research is the fact that many times there are similar "religiously" named vessels from many time frames ...like oh SAN MIGUEL IN THE 1715 FLEET ... this is due to the Spanish invoking the saints to "protect" them at sea ..so they gave their ships religious "names" often the owners patron saint was used ..so their could be multiple "our lady of the rosary"...or similar ...with similar names and with them sinking close together .time frame wise ..say 1715 ...1733 this could be very messy indeed..
THUS A SMALL BUT HUGE DIFFERANCE ... between "on the coast north of St Augustine" vs "on the north coast of St Augustine" ... this exsample is from the 1715 fleet records ... and could easily lead folks to look in the wrong area off on a wild goose chase ..or cause them to think that the "records" are saying wrecks are in one area when in fact they are elsewhere ... many have thought that this means that because of this "information" that 1715 fleet type items found in NASSAU SOUND ---( WHICH IS NORTH OF ST AUGUSTINE) is from 1 of 2 "missing" 1715 main fleet vessels ( the French prize EL CIERVO or the Spanish vessel nao --SAN MIGUEL from Echerevz 's fleet) --- BUT THERE ARE OTHER RECORDS ( SPOTWOODS LETTER TO LORD STANHOPE OF ENGAND DATED OCT 24TH OF 1715 IN A PS AT THE BOTTOM---WHICH CLEARLY EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHERE THE GOODS THAT CAME FROM NASSAU SOUND ACTUALLY COME FROM ** A RECOVERY VESSEL SENT FROM HAVANA , CUBA TO THE 1715 WRECK SITES TO RECOVER ROYAL TREASURE AND VIPS OFF THE COAST ..WHICH WHILE ENROUTE BACK TO SPAIN ..SANK ABOUT 40 MILES NORTH OF ST AUGUSTINE (NASSAU SOUND IS 40 MILES NORTH OF ST AUGUSTINE) ...so once one understands what the records are saying one know that there are 2 completely different wrecks ... one from the 1715 main fleet along the north coast of St Augustine and a second wreck which was a recovery vessel sent later on from Havana -- now the recovery vessel could be a real 1715 fleet treasure trove being it had upon it high value royal items recovered from the main fleet shipwrecks ..as well as VIP'S and their recovered goods as well..
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