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[dieselram94]

Looking forward to seeing Sads up and posting again


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[MPH200]

Sad news

MIAMI, Oct 5 (Reuters) - The U.S. Coast Guard on Monday said its crews had found a body and an empty, heavily damaged lifeboat in their search for the cargo ship El Faro, believed to have sunk after going missing off the Bahamas in Hurricane Joaquin.

Rescuers are no longer looking for the ship, which sent a distress call four days ago after getting caught in the powerful storm's ferocious winds and 50-foot seas, Coast Guard Captain Mark Fedor said.

He said aircrews continued to search for the missing crew - 28 U.S. citizens and five Polish nationals - but acknowledged they had faced tough odds in the storm's dangerous conditions.

"We are still looking for survivors, any signs of life," he told reporters in Miami.

Crews were unable to identify the body, discovered wearing a survival suit on Sunday, Fedor said.

The recovered lifeboat was one of two from the ship, each with a capacity for 43 people.

On Sunday, the Coast Guard spotted two large debris fields littered with items identified as coming from El Faro, including styrofoam, cargo doors and 55-gallon drums.

The 735-foot (224-meter) container ship had left Jacksonville, Florida on Tuesday, for San Juan, Puerto Rico.

On Thursday, it reported losing propulsion, listing and taking on water after sailing into the path of Joaquin off Crooked Island in the Bahamas, according to the owner, Tote Maritime Puerto Rico.

The Coast Guard said the ship had not been heard from since it sent a distress call Thursday morning

 

[TreasureCDave]

Yeah, I had a bad feeling about that container ship Yes sad!

Here is some cell phone video from Long Island, Bahamas. Lots of flooding but very little wind damage. This is good news for Sads.

Cayman Islands looked like a bomb went off after Ivan. Crooked Island got the brunt of the wind damage far as I can tell.

 

[GreenHiker]

Thanks for the video Dave.

So the news reported no deaths on long island, and the video shows flooding but the houses are standing. I have to say I am pleasantly surprised.

Might be good indications for Kevin (relative to what could have been). Let's hope for the best.

 

[TreasureCDave]

Thanks for the video Dave.

So the news reported no deaths on long island, and the video shows flooding but the houses are standing. I have to say I am pleasantly surprised.

Might be good indications for Kevin (relative to what could have been). Let's hope for the best.

Exactly, having seen Grand Cayman after Ivan, this looks relatively mild. A cat 4 or 5 can blow the roofs off of stable structures and level shacks (as there are in much of the Caribbean).

 

[TreasureCDave]

Yeah, I had a bad feeling about that container ship Yes sad!

Here is some cell phone video from Long Island, Bahamas. Lots of flooding but very little wind damage. This is good news for Sads.

Cayman Islands looked like a bomb went off after Ivan. Crooked Island got the brunt of the wind damage far as I can tell.

I hope we hear from Kevin soon and the video was correct in that Long Island only suffered flood waters and little structural damage.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Update on Kevin here

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/general-discussion/478290-kevin-sadds-bahamas.html

 

[old man]

Update on Kevin here

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/general-discussion/478290-kevin-sadds-bahamas.html

For those of you that are concerned for sads669 welfare due to the Natural Disaster in the Bahamas.
BVI posted that he had been contacted by sads669 and that he is Ok and that Kevin is helping some of his elderly ladies that are neighbors.

For a while there, I thought I might have been having a senior moment when I couldn't find the thread anymore. But for those of you that didn't get a chance to read it before. Sads669 is Ok.
BVI thanks for posting that info about Kevin.

 

[Darren in NC]

Word from SADDS - He traveled north to likely the only place on the island where he could check in briefly. He said they are well!! Yay! He said they are holed up at their house with 2 of their neighbors and are in a "protective bubble while the chaos is all around them". They said they don't NEED anything (as if they would ever ask). He has tons of gas for the generator and is using it to keep the freezer cold. He will be traveling up to the capital (nassau) to load up supplies - shingles, nails, tarps, etc in a few days. If I hear more, I'll post it.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Thanks to all those who have PM'd me about how to help Kevin and his community.
You're still able to help if you contact me

 

[Enginefitter]

Word from SADDS - He traveled north to likely the only place on the island where he could check in briefly. He said they are well!! Yay! He said they are holed up at their house with 2 of their neighbors and are in a "protective bubble while the chaos is all around them". They said they don't NEED anything (as if they would ever ask). He has tons of gas for the generator and is using it to keep the freezer cold. He will be traveling up to the capital (nassau) to load up supplies - shingles, nails, tarps, etc in a few days. If I hear more, I'll post it.

Thanks for that update Darren, greatly appreciated.

Engine

 

[MPH200]

Thanks for the update, glad he is safe.

 

[old man]

Darren and BVI, thanks for keeping all of us informed.
It's nice to know that there are still wonderful people out there that care about others when a Natural Disaster occurs.

 

[Darren in NC]

That was an update from his FB page. I heard from him again this morn. He is only able to do a quick check on email, so don't flood his PM box right now :-) PM BVI for how you can help if you want to contribute in any way. I respect the mods for holding to the rules. The rules are there for a reason, not to single anyone out or hinder our desire to help. We just have to go about it properly. Thanks for your concern for SADDS, his family and neighbors.

 

[MPH200]

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — The Coast Guard plans to end its search for 33 missing crew members from a U.S. cargo ship that sank last week during Hurricane Joaquin, officials told family members Wednesday.

The Coast Guard said it will end its search for survivors from the El Faro on Wednesday evening, according to Robert Green, father of LaShawn Rivera. He said the Coast Guard informed relatives during a briefing at the Seafarers Internatonal Union hall in Jacksonville that the search would end between 6 p.m. and 7 p.m.

Despite the decision, Green said, "I think we're still hopeful. Miracles do happen, and it's God's way only. I'm prayerful, hopeful and still optimistic."

The 790-foot cargo ship sank Thursday off the Bahamas during Hurricane Joaquin, a Category 4 storm with 140 mph winds that was producing 50-foot waves. Officials say the ship's captain had plans to go around the storm as he headed from Jacksonville, Florida, to Puerto Rico but the El Faro suffered unexplained engine failure that left it unable to avoid the storm.

Earlier, federal investigators said they still hope to recover a data recorder from the ship as search crews continue looking for any survivors.

The National Transportation Safety Board sent a team to Jacksonville on Tuesday to begin the agency's inquiry, which will help determine why the captain, crew and owners of El Faro decided to risk sailing in stormy waters.

"We will be looking at everything. So, we leave no stone unturned in our investigation and our analysis. We want to find every bit of information that we possibly can," Bella Dinh-Zarr, NTSB vice-chairman, said.

In addition to the voyage data recorder — which begins pinging when it gets wet and has a 30-day battery life — the board will focus on communications between the captain and the vessel's owner.

Another question is whether the five workers whose job was to prepare the engine room for a retrofitting had any role in the boat's loss of power, which set the vessel adrift in the stormy seas. Officials from Tote Inc., the vessel's owner, say they don't believe so. But the question — along with the captain's decision to plot a course near the storm — will help investigators figure out why the boat apparently sank near the Bahamas, possibly claiming the lives of all 33 aboard.

The ship is believed to have gone down in 15,000 feet of water after reporting its last known position last Thursday. One unidentified body has been found.

"It's just a tragic, tragic situation," Dinh-Zarr said.

The 41-year-old El Faro was scheduled to be retired from Caribbean duty and retrofitted in the coming months for service between the West Coast and Alaska, said Tote executive Phil Greene.

The El Faro and its equally aged sister vessel were being replaced on the Jacksonville-to-Puerto Rico run by two brand-new ships capable of carrying much more cargo and emitting less pollution.

When the El Faro left Jacksonville on Sept. 29, five workers from Poland came along with 28 U.S. crew members to do some preparatory work in the engine room, according to Greene. He gave no details on the nature of their work.

"I don't believe based on the work they were doing that they would have had anything to do with what affected the propulsion," said Greene, a retired Navy admiral.

The El Faro had no history of engine failure, Greene said, and the company said the vessel was modernized in 1992 and 2006. Company records show it underwent its last annual Coast Guard inspection in March.

"We don't have all the answers. I'm sorry for that. I wish we did," Anthony Chiarello, said Tote Inc.'s president and CEO. "But we will find out what happened."

The American Bureau of Shipping, a nonprofit organization that sets safety and other standards for ships, did full hull and machinery inspections in February with no red flags, the company said.

F. John Nicoll, a retired captain who spent years piloting the run to Puerto Rico, said he doubts the age of the El Faro was a factor, noting that there are many older ships plying U.S. waters without incident.

He predicted the NTSB will look into whether company pressure to deliver the cargo on time despite the menacing weather played a role in the tragedy — something Tote executives have denied.

"Time and money are an important thing" in the shipping industry, Nicoll said. He said there should be emails and other messages between the captain and the company to help answer the question.

Tote executives said the captain, Michael Davidson, planned a heading that would have enabled El Faro to bypass Joaquin if the ship hadn't lost power. The loss of power left it vulnerable to the storm's 140-mph winds and battering waves more than 50 feet high.

They said Davidson was in regular communication before the storm with the company, which can override a captain's decisions.

Davidson attended the Maine Maritime Academy and has a home in Windham, Maine.

"He was a very squared-away sailor, very meticulous with details, very prudent, which is important when you're working on the water. He took his job seriously," said Nick Mavadones, a friend since childhood and general manager of Casco Bay Lines, where he and Davidson worked together.

Still, seafarers who have long experience in the Caribbean say its weather can be treacherous.

"It can go from calm, in a matter of five or six hours, to hell," said Angel Ortiz, who retired as a merchant mariner after 39 years.

 

[el padron]

Exactly, having seen Grand Cayman after Ivan, this looks relatively mild. A cat 4 or 5 can blow the roofs off of stable structures and level shacks (as there are in much of the Caribbean).

Many of you seriously underestimate these storms because you have very little experience and no Idea at all. A Category 2 will blow roofs off and cause serious damage. A category four will reduce an island or lowlands to SAND. Nothing else at all.

A actual sustained category 5 arguably has not actually occurred in the recent past regardless of what some of you are scrambling to read on Wikipedia.
That would render a completely unrecognizable landscape (Where are we?) remove concrete road pavement from its bed and completely overtake all but the most modern of seawalls.

 

[BVI Hunter]

That was an update from his FB page. I heard from him again this morn. He is only able to do a quick check on email, so don't flood his PM box right now :-) PM BVI for how you can help if you want to contribute in any way. I respect the mods for holding to the rules. The rules are there for a reason, not to single anyone out or hinder our desire to help. We just have to go about it properly. Thanks for your concern for SADDS, his family and neighbors.

I am still,sending out details of how you can help,if you PM me
Thanks all

 

[TreasureCDave]

Many of you seriously underestimate these storms because you have very little experience and no Idea at all. A Category 2 will blow roofs off and cause serious damage. A category four will reduce an island or lowlands to SAND. Nothing else at all.

A actual sustained category 5 arguably has not actually occurred in the recent past regardless of what some of you are scrambling to read on Wikipedia.
That would render a completely unrecognizable landscape (Where are we?) remove concrete road pavement from its bed and completely overtake all but the most modern of seawalls.

Not to venture too far off thread .... I NEVER underestimate ANY hurricane or Mother Nature event. I have experienced over a dozen of them in Florida and the Caribbean. Every one is different and damage can be mild or horrific at any CAT. Most of the leveling I have experienced have come from tornado's spun off them. Not sure why you felt the need to generalize many of us have no idea but ... nuff said.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Many of you seriously underestimate these storms because you have very little experience and no Idea at all. A Category 2 will blow roofs off and cause serious damage. A category four will reduce an island or lowlands to SAND. Nothing else at all.

A actual sustained category 5 arguably has not actually occurred in the recent past regardless of what some of you are scrambling to read on Wikipedia.
That would render a completely unrecognizable landscape (Where are we?) remove concrete road pavement from its bed and completely overtake all but the most modern of seawalls.

End the condescending tones in your posts, 2nd request... Many of us are very familiar with hurricanes and their affects on property and people......

 

[CaptEsteban]

I am still,sending out details of how you can help,if you PM me
Thanks all

Thanks for keeping us informed !!!