Does the current Spain have legal rights to spanish shipwrecks of old?

[Thensaurus]

With approximately 12 different constitutions since 1800, a few coups, an Italian King are we certain the "current Spain" has legal claim to what once belonged to another government in the same region 200 to 500 years ago?

We have Westphalia that we can use to show that claims to shipwrecks prior to 1648 may be invalid.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

If any have legal claim it would be from whom the treasures were stollen from originally.

 

[MPH200]

Ummm these people ...

Atahualpa, the Inca ruler, paid a ransom to Pizarro of a room, measuring 22 X 17 feet and 9 feet high, filled with gold and silver. After receiving this vast quantity of treasure, Pizarro executed Atahualpa, anyway. The ransom amounted to over 6.5 tons of gold, and 13 tones of silver. Pizarro's clerks calculated that the gold was worth over 2,000,000 pesos and the silver was worth another 350,000 pesos.

In 1545, silver ore was discovered in Peru, and it changed the way Spain extracted the treasures of the New World. Up to that point, all precious metals were obtained by stealing it from the natives. After 1545, mining became the main method for the acquisition of precession metal from America. Once mining for silver, became big business in the Colonies, gold took second place, as the metal of choice. In 1546, silver mines were discovered in Mexico, insuring two major sources of silver for Spain.

 

[TheRingFinder]

And the original owners were all wiped out - Common sense would tell you that whoever finds the treasures, owns them - though Florida, and other Government agency's would disagree with me.

 

[doc-d]

Suerte with that…….make a big enough find and let it be known or found out, and see who ends up with it…….rule of law, justice…..ya right…..

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Apparently in the international court of appeals they do.

So the trick seems to be . . . shhhhhhh.

 

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Ummm these people ... Atahualpa, the Inca ruler, paid a ransom to Pizarro of a room, measuring 22 X 17 feet and 9 feet high, filled with gold and silver. After receiving this vast quantity of treasure, Pizarro executed Atahualpa, anyway. The ransom amounted to over 6.5 tons of gold, and 13 tones of silver. Pizarro's clerks calculated that the gold was worth over 2,000,000 pesos and the silver was worth another 350,000 pesos. In 1545, silver ore was discovered in Peru, and it changed the way Spain extracted the treasures of the New World. Up to that point, all precious metals were obtained by stealing it from the natives. After 1545, mining became the main method for the acquisition of precession metal from America. Once mining for silver, became big business in the Colonies, gold took second place, as the metal of choice. In 1546, silver mines were discovered in Mexico, insuring two major sources of silver for Spain.

Spanish conquest of Mexico: Dig at Mexican ruins reveals the ritual sacrifice of a Spanish expedition | In English | EL PAÍS

 

[Au_Dreamers]

Spanish conquest of Mexico: Dig at Mexican ruins reveals the ritual sacrifice of a Spanish expedition | In English | EL PAÍS

They say history is written by the winners... The Aztec made their story history despite, "not winning".

Here it is told how the Spaniards killed, they murdered the Mexicans who were celebrating the Fiesta of Huitzilopochtli in the place they called The Patio of the Gods At this time, when everyone was enjoying the celebration, when everyone was already dancing, when everyone was already singing, when song was linked to song and the songs roared like waves, in that precise moment the Spaniards determined to kill people. They came into the patio, armed for battle. They came to close the exits, the steps, the entrances [to the patio]: The Gate of the Eagle in the smallest palace, The Gate of the Canestalk and the Gate of the Snake of Mirrors. And when they had closed them, no one could get out anywhere. Once they had done this, they entered the Sacred Patio to kill people. They came on foot, carrying swords and wooden and metal shields. Immediately, they surrounded those who danced, then rushed to the place where the drums were played. They attacked the man who was drumming and cut off both his arms. Then they cut off his head [with such a force] that it flew off, falling far away. At that moment, they then attacked all the people, stabbing them, spearing them, wounding them with their swords. They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies. They struck some in the thighs and some in the calves. They slashed others in the abdomen and their entrails fell to the earth. There were some who even ran in vain, but their bowels spilled as they ran; they seemed to get their feet entangled with their own entrails. Eager to flee, they found nowhere to go. Some tried to escape, but the Spaniards murdered them at the gates while they laughed. Others climbed the walls, but they could not save themselves. Others entered the communal house, where they were safe for a while. Others lay down among the victims and pretended to be dead. But if they stood up again they [the Spaniards] would see them and kill them. The blood of the warriors ran like water as they ran, forming pools, which widened, as the smell of blood and entrails fouled the air. And the Spaniards walked everywhere, searching the communal houses to kill those who were hiding. They ran everywhere, they searched every place. When [people] outside [the Sacred Patio learned of the massacre], shouting began, "Captains, Mexicas, come here quickly! Come here with all arms, spears, and shields! Our captains have been murdered! Our warriors have been slain! Oh Mexica captains, [our warriors] have been annihilated!" Then a roar was heard, screams, people wailed, as they beat their palms against their lips. Quickly the captains assembled, as if planned in advance, and carried their spears and shields. Then the battle began. [The Mexicas] attacked them with arrows and even javelins, including small javelins used for hunting birds. They furiously hurled their javelins [at the Spaniards]. It was as if a layer of yellow canes spread over the Spaniards. -- Visión de los Vencidos

The Spanish "account" doesn't deny this.....
While the Mexica gentlemen were dancing in the temple yard of Vitcilopuchtli [Huitzilopochtli], Pedro de Alvarado went there. Whether on [the basis of] his own opinion or in an agreement decided by everyone, I don't know, but some say he had been warned that the Indian nobles of the city had assembled to plot the mutiny and the rebellion, which they later carried out; others, believe that [the Spaniards] went to watch them perform this famous and praised dance, and seeing how rich they were and wanting the gold the Indians were wearing, he [Alvarado] covered each of the entrances with ten or twelve Spaniards and went inside with more than fifty [Spaniards], and without remorse and lacking any Christian piety, they brutally stabbed and killed the Indians, and took what they were wearing.

What was the point of your post MABO?
That natives of an Empire being invaded killed some invaders?

 

[MPH200]

Spanish conquest of Mexico: Dig at Mexican ruins reveals the ritual sacrifice of a Spanish expedition | In English | EL PAÍS

Invaders treated like invaders ...

 

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AU_Dreamer Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide You have a toxic view on history , 90% of the natives died from disease's . And there is no excuse for killing anybody ! Seeing heads loped off and hearts cut out may have given them a tainted view on the natives. Your early for fathers did the same and worse, read the link. PS I posted the link as a new discovery ,it's a same the human race doesn't learn from history.

 

[Au_Dreamers]

MABO,
What does the above post have to do with a thread of Spain and shipwrecks?

Ok so your first post was about a new discovery...so go post it in the "new discovery" forum. As titled this is the shipwreck forum.