I posted most of these GE maps here in the Shipwreck board once......would be interesting to see if any came close.
I posted most of these GE maps here in the Shipwreck board once......would be interesting to see if any came close.
Edit: added a few more additional maps.
As a long time contributor to this forum, it will, I hope, be plainly obvious that I am rooting for GME in this fight.
However, haven taken a keen interest in the revised Sunken Military Craft Act, I have grave doubts as to where this will lead unless GME can themselves prove conclusively the identity of the vessel/ debris field.
Florida cannot prove the identity of the vessel.
France cannot prove the identity of the vessel.
GME (apparently) cannot prove the identity of the vessel...
Who will then decide the identity or probable identity of the vessel ?
The courts.
Remember Juno/ La Galga ?
I cannot quite fathom the rationale that a captured French monument from the St. John's river area would have been shipped to Havana on a merchant vessel.
What merchant vessels traveled the southern coastal route southward from the St. John's river area to Havana?
It is much more likely that said monument would have been shipped to Havana on a Spanish Crown vessel...therefore the monument would belong to...drumroll... Spain !!!...Ouch and Double Ouch.
These opinions are not meant to disparage GME in any way. For the love of God I hope GME prevails in this dispute.
The simple reality is that we live in a time when the federal government, the state governments, the Department of the Navy and the courts are all arrayed against the private salvor.
I greatly fear that in the future the burden of proof of vessel identity will lie squarely on the salvor. The revised Sunken Military Craft Act is simply another arrow in the quiver of the archaeological communities attempt to shut down private salvage more or less completely.
I hope I am wrong...
Jolly man, good posting, We have researched this over and over from all ave. and we can not say for sure or even get close to what ships scatter fields these are, And yes the people inside these governments have a bad agenda " this has been proven many times"
on the SMCA, at least for now the burden of proof is on France at least in our case, and I will add they have no proof what ship this cater came from.
Heck they sent out 8 archaeologist out off Cape C for 5 days and could not find anything, and they had the exact GPS on each item.
Think about that, eight arches five days, nothing but a untrue report
Ivan, I know that you are a Great Researcher. The above quote is news to me and I suspect many other treasure hunters. Could you please provide a Link that shows that Spain has No Claim to Any Pre 1750 wrecks ? I think GME would appreciate it and I can tell you that I sure would as well.yes but Spain gave up any claims to pre 1750 vessels to win the Juno / Galga case *... this wreck would clearly be way before 1750 --so Spain's claim would be worthless because of the earlier case above * and France since the items were lost to Spain as War Booty--- would not have a valid claim either --so its GME's with the state of Florida getting their cut
It was an old map dowsing experiment....but later began checking the locations on various scales of nautical charts. To my delight and also somewhat surprised, the first couple were actually right on the chart as a shipwreck. I marked on the maps to chart debris trails, of course those sure won't be of much use. The main GE maps, symbols will at least get you next or possibly on the shipwreck location.How did you derive this information?
map dowsing
yes but Spain gave up any claims to pre 1750 vessels to win the Juno / Galga case *... this wreck would clearly be way before 1750 --so Spain's claim would be worthless because of the earlier case above * and France since the items were lost to Spain as War Booty--- would not have a valid claim either --so its GME's with the state of Florida getting their cut
Good link...here is another: Sea Hunt, Inc. v. Unidentified Vessels, Kingdom of Spain (4th Cir.)
IMHO, the nuts and bolts of the case are somewhat easier to follow in the actual Fourth Circuit ruling.
Of course now, the vessels would fall under the Sunken Military Craft Act of 2004...