Need help identifying markings on bronze fastener

[Whitt]

Have been diving an unknown shipwreck that we recently found in deep water and came across the letters CNY on a bronze fastener (spike). The same letters were also found on a gudgeon recovered. Anyone have any idea what these letters stand for and where the spike may have originated from? Thanks in advance.

 

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[Darren in NC]

CNY = City of New York

 

[Whitt]

Darren, thanks for the quick response. Was there a foundry based out of NYC, or would that have been the shipyard? Has anyone seen these markings before?

 

[bradyboy]

can we have dimensions and several images of the full length of this item?
What is it made of?
Brady

 

[bradyboy]

where was it found?

 

[Darren in NC]

Darren, thanks for the quick response. Was there a foundry based out of NYC, or would that have been the shipyard? Has anyone seen these markings before?

The were quite a few foundries in NYC according to my past research, Whitt. Shipyards typically focused on building ships, not necessarily manufacturing. But without knowing the date or type of wreck, it's hard to give specifics. Glad to see you guys are still finding wrecks in the deep.

 

[Whitt]

Thanks Darren!

 

[seekerGH]

Why would they mark it City of New York instead of with the foundry name?

You wont find anything marked CNY for New York City (NYC)...it is New York, NY, or Brooklyn, NY (there is no such thing as the City of New York)


EDIT: In appears there was a company in Syracuse called Castings New York. (CNY) More research needed.

CNY = City of New York

If you are certain, it is '=',
if you are postulating, it is not '='.
please let folks know when you are posting.

 

[Darren in NC]

there is no such thing as the City of New York

If you do quick google search into the 19th century and early-mid 20th century, will find that this was a well used reference to NYC long before we became more familiar with the city's current name. In fact, do a search on ship names. Quite a number of ships were called City of New York. The initials C.N.Y. can be found in countless publications. This applies to many cities in the UK, as well.

Check this link, and scroll down to the Cs. And this is only one shipping line.
Ellerman - Hall Line

If you are certain, it is '=',
if you are postulating, it is not '='.
please let folks know when you are posting.

By all means, apply for a moderator's job. You seem good at it.

 

[seekerGH]

City of New York as it relates to New York City?
In the North, is is never called the City of New York by anyone who lives there. How many Ships are named New York City? For your edification, it historically was called New York, hence New York, NY.

The ship that was just built with steel from the towers? USS New York? (USS New York City?)

The 5 boroughs have always been very proud of their independence. You would be wise to be careful when in Manhatten vs Brooklyn vs Queens calling it NYC. (that is not a guess)
USS New York City was a sub.

Back to the pintle, of course, as a foundry, they would have put City of New York (CNY) on their product because it is the location of the foundry, rather than their foundry name? One does not find many cast parts of rudders with the vessels name?

Nothing about Castings New York (CNY) in your research, an actual foundry?

CNY = City of New York

How did that help the OP in the ID of the artifact?

If you want to provide a guess, that is fine, just make certain you tell people you are guessing.

By all means, apply for a moderator's job. You seem good at it.

Mods, as you are aware, it is far easier to monitor and approve a posters content prior to publication, than after. If you would like to have me moderate Darrens posts for content and accuracy prior to posting, please PM me.

 

[seekerGH]

Now Darren (Mr City of New York) as far as research, simply admit you were schooled, and schooled hard. No big deal.

I am certain none of the other 'research' that you have provided has been simple WAG? Right?

 

[Whitt]

Certainly more research is needed. There is a large capstan on the site that we are hoping to recover (no capstan cover - we looked)A large bronze pipe was recovered that turned out to be a bilge pump and its guts. Lot's of deadeyes. Unfortunately, most of this wreck has been destroyed by scallop draggers over the years. Amazing how much damage we see done to these wreck from commercial fishermen. Funny how archeologists get upset over artifact recovery when commercial fisherman literally destroy entire sites...