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    Thank you for your opinion, Signal. Since I don't haunt the shipwreck forum here, and am unfamiliar with your field of expertise, perhaps you could provide some examples of these commonalities of which you speak. I'd be very interested in seeing some for comparison.

    Thank you in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ditlihi View Post
    Thank you for your opinion, Signal. Since I don't haunt the shipwreck forum here, and am unfamiliar with your field of expertise, perhaps you could provide some examples of these commonalities of which you speak. I'd be very interested in seeing some for comparison.

    Thank you in advance

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    Copperplate (19th Century): Fontscape Home > Handmade > Handwriting > Formal > Copperplate
    Spencerian (19th Century): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencerian_script (look at example image/letter)
    Round (17th-18th Century): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_hand (look at example image/letter)

    From: https://historyhub.history.gov/group...shaped-letters
    "Another letter that gives me trouble is that lowercase "p." The style here is to have a much taller ascender, or vertical line, than we use on our letter "p"s nowadays. The round part (called the bowl) of the "p" may also be open at the bottom, making it look kind of like an "h.""

    Throughout college, penmanship and history were always interests of mine. I learned a lot while at school in both. Penmanship is similar to treasure hunting for me, its just something I am fascinated with is all. I would not say I am an expert or anything like that, I am just very aware of the many aspects of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by signal View Post
    Copperplate (19th Century): Fontscape Home > Handmade > Handwriting > Formal > Copperplate
    Spencerian (19th Century): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencerian_script (look at example image/letter)
    Round (17th-18th Century): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_hand (look at example image/letter)

    From: https://historyhub.history.gov/group...shaped-letters
    "Another letter that gives me trouble is that lowercase "p." The style here is to have a much taller ascender, or vertical line, than we use on our letter "p"s nowadays. The round part (called the bowl) of the "p" may also be open at the bottom, making it look kind of like an "h.""

    Throughout college, penmanship and history were always interests of mine. I learned a lot while at school in both. Penmanship is similar to treasure hunting for me, its just something I am fascinated with is all. I would not say I am an expert or anything like that, I am just very aware of the many aspects of it.

    Well, from your examples we can certainly see they were of the same time period, but I still beg to disagree. The heightened ascender on the signature and the absence of same in the body of the letter just don't seem to be as convincing an argument to me in view of all the other similarities. But I do appreciate your knowledge of the subject.

    Did you happen to find any examples of the use of colons to separate initials/names? I'm having difficulties in finding anything similar, which seems odd in view of your statement they were as common as the use of periods are today.


    * Edited to add that upon further study of the letter, I noted he does use the heightened ascender on other examples within the body; specifically... " purpose " and " precisely ".
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    Any open s"s in the letter similar to signiture?
    I'll concede to Signal regarding writing nuances.
    Meaning , I've no idea when s's began being closed.
    Though I'm looking for similarity , rather than dating signiture; the s is all I see creating curiosity.
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    Ditlihi, syntactic punctuation was first introduced into the English language by Ben Jonson, who signed his name "Ben:Jonson". He published the book that Phipps would have likely learned from, called "English Grammar", written in 1617, and published in 1640. The colon was then known as the "pause" or "two pricks". It was common for educated men to use it in their signatures in the mid 17th century to 18th century.
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    Thank Signal for those very informed and educational posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Thank Signal for those very informed and educational posts.
    Thanks, an advantage of an expensive education in liberal arts!
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    Fantastic info. As a printer I had no idea the history of these fonts & when they were used. Very educational!

    Quote Originally Posted by signal View Post
    Ditlihi, syntactic punctuation was first introduced into the English language by Ben Jonson, who signed his name "Ben:Johnson". He published the book that Phipps would have likely learned from, called "English Grammar", written in 1617, and published in 1640. The colon was then known as the "pause" or "two pricks". It was common for educated men to use it in their signatures in the mid 17th century to 18th century.
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    Yes, thank you Signal, for the education. I was able to eventually find examples exactly as you have stated.

    Wonderful information that confirms both the inscription on the books, and the letter, were of the same time period and most likely by one with an education.

    Many thanks for your help.

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    It really seems like William Phips would be the likely candidate......but his signature reveals it's not him. It would be great to get ahold of this:

    Letter of George W Phipps, Whitehall, to same, allowing Colonel Fox's request for a... | The National Archives

    to see the signature.
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    George William, b.1748 would play nicely into this:
    Francis Phipps
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    Ya know...this entire thread is a SHINING example...of what and why...T'Net is such a wonderful place. I'm thrilled by the depth of knowledge and various examples of expertise that have just "appeared" as if by magic when a subject or question is brought forward for the general population.

    And most of all...the professional courtesy and civility shown is EXACTLY the kind of interaction that foster's cooperation and respect for the people and content of T'net

    Well done to all!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by signal View Post
    It really seems like William Phips would be the likely candidate......but his signature reveals it's not him. It would be great to get ahold of this:

    Letter of George W Phipps, Whitehall, to same, allowing Colonel Fox's request for a... | The National Archives

    to see the signature.
    Can a scan/pdf be requested from them (Plymouth and West Devon Record Office)? They provide an email add (and ph#).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRG View Post
    Can a scan/pdf be requested from them (Plymouth and West Devon Record Office)? They provide an email add (and ph#).
    Yes I requested the scan already, I'll post if there is any response.
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    Wow, many thanks to everyone for all your generosity in helping me solve this mystery! I am humbled and very much appreciative of all your time and effort, not to mention expertise. Kudos to you all!
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