Odyssey Marine Article...

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Jeff what location was Spain given by Odyssey ? You said at 1100 meters water depth.
The English Report on the battle had prior depth's taken, nothing like 1100 meters ?
So did Odyssey send them out to the deep knowing you would need an ROV ?
Do you know If Spain have an ROV ? and if so I haven't heard if they have sent one out ? to verify the location.
Ossy

 

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Jeff what location was Spain given by Odyssey ? You said at 1100 meters water depth.
The English Report on the battle had prior depth's taken, nothing like 1100 meters ?
So did Odyssey send them out to the deep knowing you would need an ROV ?
Do you know If Spain have an ROV ? and if so I haven't heard if they have sent one out ? to verify the location.
Ossy

Ossy, something doesn't agree: 180 nautical miles west of Gibraltar is not 1100 meters, there are between 2500 and 3200

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22826040 /

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/19/ww.treasurehunters/index.html

 

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Claudio, very interesting, that deep ? the plot thickens.
We will hopfully find out the Truth one day

Ossy

 

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Claudio, very interesting, that deep ? the plot thickens.
We will hopfully find out the Truth one day
Ossy

Ossy, the lies, the same as the conspiracies have the legs (lives) short and the truth always comes out float. Those that were yesterday's allies can be today's enemies, and yesterday's enemies your allies for the future.

 

[jeff k]

Florida Trend Article...

http://www.floridatrend.com/article....2243989.8060935.398&aID2=49811&mostread=true

"Odyssey says the Virginia case (Juno & Galga) isn’t a good parallel to the “Black Swan.” The Mercedes, the company says, was carrying mostly commercial cargo, eliminating Spain’s sovereign immunity claim. In any case, that claim applies to its vessel, which wasn’t found, not to cargo Spain didn’t own, Odyssey contends. Also, since the treasure was found in international waters, international law prevails rather than the particular United States law applied in the Virginia case."

 

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Europa Press today (in Spanish)

http://www.europapress.es/andalucia...s-pecio-expoliado-odyssey-20081004121504.html

 

[jeff k]

http://tinyurl.com/3vmtfl

If Odyssey brought up coins dated 1803-04, then how could they come from a ship sunk in 1801?

 

[jeff k]

Gibraltar Chronicle...

UK COULD BE ENTITLED TO £1.5M SLICE OF ODYSSEY TREASURE
by Brian Reyes
The British Government could be entitled to a £1.5m slice of the controversial treasure raised by Odyssey Marine Exploration last year, according to several sources with close knowledge of the case.


British government lawyers are considering filing a claim after learning that England paid compensation to a Spanish noble who lost his family and belongings on the Spanish galleon Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes, which was sunk by English ships in 1804.
Although Odyssey cannot confirm this, Spain believes the treasure came from the Mercedes and the company concedes it is a possibility.
If the wreck is firmly identified, the British Government could be in for a minor windfall should it opt to reclaim the compensation paid by England in the early 1800s.
“It is just common sense law applied to all instances where an insurance company or a third party pays something off,” said one source.
Historical records show that the noble, Diego de Alvear, lost his wife, seven children and possessions when the Spanish galleon sank off Portugal.
He was later compensated with around £6,000 by the English – half of what he lost - because the attack on the Mercedes took place in peace time.
In theory that sum could now be worth as much as £1.5m, one official said.
Should Britain go ahead with the claim, the exact figure will ultimately be determined by the US court hearing the case and will be based on multiple complex factors. De Alvear’s descendants may also seek to file a claim.
Peru has already signalled its intention to stake a claim over the treasure on the basis that the gold and silver coins on the Mercedes were minted in Lima using metals mined in the Andes.
Additionally, historical records published by Spanish newspaper El Pais show that the Mercedes was carrying coins belonging to 130 Spanish merchants.
The descendants of those merchants may now be entitled to request their share of the haul.
Odyssey disputes that there is sufficient evidence to confirm that the treasure came from the Mercedes, though it admits this is a possibility.
On that basis, it said there may be more claimants yet to come forward and asked the court to set a deadline for them to register any interest. The company has always said it would welcome legitimate claims.
“There’s lots of research available publicly that says more than two-thirds of the cargo was private merchant cargo,” said Mark Gordon, Odyssey’s president, in a recent interview with the Tampa Tribune. “We can tell you who put it on, and we can tell you who was expecting it.”
“We have always made the contention that there are multiple potential claimants in a case like this because it was transporting goods for a lot of different people,” Mr Gordon added. “Spain is saying it’s solely theirs.”
In a court filing last month, Spain argued that the Mercedes was a Spanish warship and therefore protected by sovereign immunity laws.
Spain had never abandoned the wreck and Odyssey had no permission to work there, Spain’s lawyers said in the 36-page document.
“Odyssey’s pending claims in this case seek to assert rights over the shipwreck of a warship of the Royal Spanish Navy,” they said.
“The gravesite of military personnel who died in the service of their nation may not be subjected to unauthorized and covert exploitation for private profit, as Odyssey well knows.”
The US company rejected the accusations and has until November to file an official response with the court.

 

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http://tinyurl.com/3vmtfl

If Odyssey brought up coins dated 1803-04, then how could they come from a ship sunk in 1801?

Jeff, nobody discusses the year of coinage of the currencies, the question it is, where they were found, and certainly, the Mercedes is not 100-180 miles west of Gibraltar. The historical research and their nautical data demonstrate this way it.

 

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Quote: UK COULD BE ENTITLED TO 1.5M POUNDS OF ODYSSEY TREASURE
Jeff you got to be kidding British government lawyers considering filing a claim for some compensation paid ! after the
English royal navy killed his family ! I love to be in court for this one.
Let's get all the facts, the English attacked four Spanish royal frigates, distroyed one killing 250 people !
then under force while killing and maiming stole the other three frigates, which has silver gold and other goods.
Then English crown sold the goods and put the frigates into there service. And they want compensation
I hope England does put in a claim, then Spain can counter sue ! And image the family's of the people that were killed by the
English crown. and then we can start with the merchants. The 1.5M pounds would not even cover the lawyers charges!
All this other nonsense takes the focus of the facts that are coming to light
Odyssey after years of reseach has knowingly taken what is not theirs, and in Portuguese waters !
Ossy

 

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Ossy, not only this: they also captured, without declared war, other ships with money.

 

[Salvor6]

So the Spanish want back the gold and silver they looted from Peru. Thats like the former Nazi's of Germany asking for the treasures that Herman Goering stole from the Jews.

 

[Cablava]

Come on Pete, the Red Indians would like their land back too, but its not going to happen is it.
The Dutch, the British the French and a few other have done the same many times over.

We cannot compare what happened hundreds of years ago, to today.

OMEX have done the same with their night flight from Gibraltar, hoping to keep their spoils, relying on the American law system to protect them, but there are other courts after the American court system that will more than likely decide this expensive farce.

Personally I do not think either side deserves the award but one side will eventually get it. It is a war of attrition and I know who has the most money, and resources. One sovereign, who has an allegedly dubious past history and one corporate whose management also has an allegedly dubious past history.

Its a good soap to watch but the damage to the rest of the TH world cannot be calculated. Personally I wish it had never happened. There are to many brick walls to try to open these days, I have stopped trying to open them.

On another note, Claudio I wonder why you even bother to try to talk about the subject, as it is a blind alley here among a lot of the guys here on, there are many other forms of media to pass your invaluable information.

 

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Scuba, so all the Spanish coins and artifacts you find ,you then give back to Peru ? yea right !
You must have your own standards. You should read some of your own American history !
As people we are all the same. Good and Bad ! Greed and Pirates are still alive and well .
Ossy

 

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Come on Pete, the Red Indians would like their land back too, but its not going to happen is it.
The Dutch, the British the French and a few other have done the same many times over.

We cannot compare what happened hundreds of years ago, to today.

OMEX have done the same with their night flight from Gibraltar, hoping to keep their spoils, relying on the American law system to protect them, but there are other courts after the American court system that will more than likely decide this expensive farce.

Personally I do not think either side deserves the award but one side will eventually get it. It is a war of attrition and I know who has the most money, and resources. One sovereign, who has an allegedly dubious past history and one corporate whose management also has an allegedly dubious past history.

Its a good soap to watch but the damage to the rest of the TH world cannot be calculated. Personally I wish it had never happened. There are to many brick walls to try to open these days, I have stopped trying to open them.

On another note, Claudio I wonder why you even bother to try to talk about the subject, as it is a blind alley here among a lot of the guys here on, there are many other forms of media to pass your invaluable information.

Cablava, this is only an advance of the whole truth. It lacks the juiciest part.

 

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Sight of Santa Maria cape from a nautical chart of the Spanish Navy having used in 1804.

A) Montefigo to the North 14º 30' East distances 7 leagues [21 miles]

 

[Amona]

More information about this trial.

http://www.europapress.es/andalucia...s-pecio-expoliado-odyssey-20081004121504.html

Amona

 

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Spain reimbursed the consignees of the Mercedes load

Spain reimbursed the consignees of the Mercedes' load
ABC today

http://www.abcdesevilla.es/20081013/cultura-cultura/espana-indemnizo-duenos-privados-20081013.html

http://www.abc.es/20081013/cultura-patrimonio/herederos-tienen-derechos-defender-20081013.html

 

[jeff k]

That's good new. Just more proof that the Mercedes had commercial cargo on board.

 

[Amona]

That's good new. Just more proof that the Mercedes had commercial cargo on board

That is not what this article say? Read again if you read in spanish!!

Poor Odyseey

Amona