Ship Bell Found

[BillA]

would be inclined to view the motif as being typical of a time period (which?) and/or geographic area (which?)
not close enough to say the same

Wayne

 

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[Blak bart]

The 16- mid 1700s bill. The baroque era. Now were getting some where.

 

[Blak bart]

 

[BillA]

but reversed molding (incised letters & figures)

Orville

 

[Blak bart]

no no exact date ...but there should be a nice range. So let's figure it out and narrow it down.

 

[Blak bart]

The canon is not from the same ship as the bell.....but I'd wager that it's from the same time period ?? Its the motifs time range and origin that will help narrow the date. The guns origins would help too,.....give us a possible origin......POSSIBLE !! just throwing it out there.

 

[Blak bart]

I've got to finish work so no time to pursue now.

 

[Blak bart]

 

[Blak bart]

st. Paul's canon I believe, 1638 and this at 1744. Now were getting a range for the motif possibly ??

 

[Blak bart]

now a bell... but ...not quite

 

[Robot]

A "Dark Story" Of What Might Have Been...This...Ship's Bell's...Final Destination?

I believe the name on this Bell...to be...Tafan!

The only reference to the name Tafan, is an area located in central Nigeria...known for its Slave Shipments.

Tafan Destination Guide (Nigeria (general), Nigeria) - Trip-Suggest



The River Tafan connected to the Bay of Bight of Bonny, which was shown to be a major holding area for Slaves... Prior to their Trans Atlantic destinations.



I was unable to locate any Ship with the registry "Tafan" from any Countries involved.

https://www.slavevoyages.org/voyage/database

Being that the size of this Bell does not designate a larger Trans Atlantic Slave Ship but more of a Slave Transport Ship, it is my opinion that this was a Ship's Bell on one of the many River Ships used to transport the Slaves along the River Tafan to Bight of Bonny...and this Ship's name was...Tafan.

How did this Bell from this Ship end up in the Caribbean?

I would speculate that with the many Pirates raiding Slave Ships for their bounty, that the Slave River Ship known as Tafan fell casualty to this practice.

The Ship's Bell along with its Slaves were then transported to the West Indies where they met their demise!

 

[Blak bart]

Yes....I also found reference to the kingdom of tafan, I had simalar thoughts about pirates ??

 

[xaos]

Well, FMD!

Yes, but one can find similar baroque scrolls on French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch cannon....

Perhaps before wild unsubstantiated guesses, you look up Tafan, Nigeria, (Littattafan) and note the history. And of course, a slave ship of the day would be? (pssst Dutch) An African river boat of the 17th century with a cast bell with ships name WOW.

I suspect that the Knights Templar, after dropping off the Arc of the Covenant on Oak island, sailed the TAFAN down to the Caribbean to get more coconut fiber to stuff the shaft and tunnels to the pit with.

They needed room, so the buried Francis Bacon down there in the meantime. (TAFAN is Sanskrit for Bacon)

 

[Robot]

For Whom The Bell Tolls!

Well, FMD!

Yes, but one can find similar baroque scrolls on French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch cannon....

Perhaps before wild unsubstantiated guesses, you look up Tafan, Nigeria, (Littattafan) and note the history. And of course, a slave ship of the day would be? (pssst Dutch) An African river boat of the 17th century with a cast bell with ships name WOW.

I suspect that the Knights Templar, after dropping off the Arc of the Covenant on Oak island, sailed the TAFAN down to the Caribbean to get more coconut fiber to stuff the shaft and tunnels to the pit with.

They needed room, so the buried Francis Bacon down there in the meantime. (TAFAN is Sanskrit for Bacon)

 

[BillA]

View attachment 1709980

Bart, I grew up in Florence and have been to the Bargello a dozen times, that cannon is typical of nothing else I know of. But a motif, sure.

Luciano

 

[BillA]

. . . . .

I suspect that the Knights Templar, after dropping off the Arc of the Covenant on Oak island, sailed the TAFAN down to the Caribbean to get more coconut fiber to stuff the shaft and tunnels to the pit with.

They needed room, so the buried Francis Bacon down there in the meantime. (TAFAN is Sanskrit for Bacon)

do you see the turtle on the lower rim ?

Ron

 

[whydahdiver]

Thought all would like to see the Whydah bell, named after Ouidah on the slave coast in what is now Benin.

 

[Blak bart]

Shes a beauty that's for sure !! Whydahdiver.....any gut feelings on the bell in this thread ?? Tell you what.....your bell pops up quite a bit when searching ships bells. Hats off to black Sam bellamy....what a character !!

 

[Robot]

Whydah!...Several ships named after the famous one of 1715... Captured by...Pirates!

Thought all would like to see the Whydah bell, named after Ouidah on the slave coast in what is now Benin. View attachment 1710256

I believe this 1715 Whydah...Captained by Lawrence Prince...was the ship captured by the Pirate...Captain Samuel Bellamy

Voyage ID
25726

Vessel name
Whydah

Vessel owner


Flag
Great Britain

Flag (imputed)

IMP​

Great Britain

Place constructed


Year constructed
1713

Place registered


Year registered


Rig of vessel


Tonnage


Standardized tonnage

IMP​

Guns mounted










Outcome
Particular outcome of voyage
Bought at least one slave in Africa - subsequent fate unknown

Outcome of voyage for slaves
Slaves embarked, transhipped or no further record

Outcome of voyage if ship captured
Not captured

Outcome of voyage for owner
Original goal thwarted (natural hazard)

African resistance










Itinerary
Place where voyage began

IMP​

London

Principal place of slave purchase

IMP​

Whydah

1st place of slave purchase
Whydah

Vessel name	Voyage ID	Place where voyage began IMP	Principal place of purchase IMP	Principal place of slave landing IMP	Year arrived with slaves IMP	Slaves arrived 1st port	Captain's name

Whydah	25726	London	Whydah		1715		Prince, Lawrence
Whydah Frigate	76536	London	Whydah	Barbados, port unspecified	1721	371	Barlow, Samuel
Whydah	90698	Liverpool			1757		Ewings, Chris Hammill
Whydah	36197	Rhode Island, port unspecified	Cape Coast Castle	Saint John (Antigua)	1757		Ferguson, Robert
Whydah	36222	Rhode Island, port unspecified	Cape Coast Castle		1758		Gregory, Edw
Whydah	36272	Newport	Cape Coast Castle	Barbados, port unspecified	1763	31	Rogers, Thom

 

[Blak bart]

the decorative band on the vasterhaninge church bell in comparison to the OPs bell. It's close.