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  1. #16
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    Very nice ships bell. That is a really nice piece of History there.

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    I see a....R....off to the far right. Decorative band looks to be baroque style. Cannot rule out church or mission style bell in route to or from the new world. A little cleaning could solve the entire mystery, might even be a date. Shes a beauty !!

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    that would be estefan!

    I see a....R....off to the far right.
    you never read my posts

    Look at this, almost an exact match!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xaos View Post
    that would be estefan!
    Exactly!
    But I thought I would head any comments about them off at the pass!!
    Last edited by PetesPockets55; Mar 17, 2019 at 06:58 AM.
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  5. #20
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    Salvor... only 1 picture ? sheesh and small at that.

    Size ? LArge ? Small ? MEdium ? anything ?

    And why wouldn't the remaining encrust not be removed from last ?

    Conserve bronze ?

    This looks like it is "half" of it.

    Man... not getting on ya... but come on.

    This COULD be a "good one".

    PS... reading "AFAN" from lousy view... heh

    Searched Spanish missing list and nothing with these letters IN that order correspond... so not Spanish so far ... IF that is what I am reading correct.
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    Good observation AARC. My records indicate that on Sept 18, 1749 over 20 British merchant ships sank in a hurricane near this area. There are no names of the vessels listed. The one pic I got is all he sent.

    The lab in Miami told him not to try to remove any of the encrustation. You know how these guys are, "don't try to clean it. Let me do it."

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    There is a " FAFAN, Ethiopia ??
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    I carve wood alot, and the decoration at the top of the bell is called a palmette. It was a popular decorative design style from the early 1600s- to the mid 1700s. I think I saw a very similar design in one of black ducks posts involving the columns. At any rate there are alot of similar designs posted on line. My search was"baroque era palmettes"Click image for larger version. 

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    The R to the right indicates script that went around the other side. AFAN could be the end of many different words, and without the other part of the bell it could be difficult to figure out. I'm not sure what you guys mean by estafan ?? I may be missing something obvious, but the estafan name goes way back. Wealthy family in Spain immigrated to the new world in the 1500s and gains more wealth in the new world. There are alot of estefans in south Florida and Emilio estafan is decended from that family....ironically !! Lol ! Great post, I'm having fun looking at old bells and palmettes online.

  10. #25
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    Pete, they mean Eas"tafan" by the T they see before the AFAN. I'm not sure whether it's a letter or just a line of encrustation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blak bart View Post
    The R to the right indicates script that went around the other side. AFAN could be the end of many different words, and without the other part of the bell it could be difficult to figure out. I'm not sure what you guys mean by estafan ?? I may be missing something obvious, but the estafan name goes way back. Wealthy family in Spain immigrated to the new world in the 1500s and gains more wealth in the new world. There are alot of estefans in south Florida and Emilio estafan is decended from that family....ironically !! Lol ! Great post, I'm having fun looking at old bells and palmettes online.
    Yes of course it is the end. Other side is either beginning OR just space between next set.
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    Tafan...Meaning?...Toughen!

    A "Long Shot Clue" that may have to do with the meaning of the word, apparently appearing on the Bell...Tafan!

    Punjabi word named after King Tafan.

    A connection may have to do with the 17th Century...Prince Rupert of the Rhine, Duke of Cumberland.

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    Prince Rupert was credited for the invention of Tempered or Toughened Glass:

    I believe his intent was to use these Tafan Glass Balls for ballistics.

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    “Prince Rupert's drops (also known as Dutch or Batavian tears) are toughened glass beads created by dripping molten glass into cold water, which causes it to solidify into a tadpole-shaped droplet with a long, thin tail. These droplets are characterized internally by very high residual stresses, which give rise to counter-intuitive properties, such as the ability to withstand a blow from a hammer or a bullet on the bulbous end without breaking, while exhibiting explosive disintegration if the tail end is even slightly damaged.
    The drops are named after Prince Rupert of the Rhine, who brought them to England in 1660, although they were reportedly being produced in the Netherlands earlier in the 17th century and had probably been known to glass makers for much longer. They were studied as scientific curiosities by the Royal Society and the unravelling of the principles of their unusual properties probably led to the development of the process for the production of toughened glass.”

    Out of the several ships he sailed and lost while "Pirating" in the Caribbean, one may have gone by the name...Tafan!


    Rupert crossed back into the Atlantic and, during 1651, cut west to the Azores,capturing vessels as he went. He intended to continue on to the West Indies,where there would be many rich targets. Instead he encountered a late summer storm, leading to the sinking of the Constant Reformation with the loss of 333 lives—almost including Rupert's brother, Prince Maurice, who only just escaped and a great deal of captured treasure. Turning back to regroup, repair and re-equip in early 1652, Rupert's reduced force moored at Cape Blanc,an island near what is now Mauritania. Rupert took the opportunity to explore and acquired a Moorish servant boy,who remained in his service for many years. Rupert also explored 150 miles up the Gambia River, taking two Spanish vessels asprizes and contracting malaria in the process.
    Rupert then finally made a successful crossing into the Caribbean, landing first at Saint Lucia,before continuing up the chain of the Antilles to the Virgin Islands. There the fleet was hit by a hurricane,which scattered the ships and sank the Defiance, this time with Prince Maurice on board. It was a while before Maurice's death became certain, which came as a terrible blow to Rupert. He was forced to return to Europe, arriving in France in March 1653 with a fleet of five ships.

    It may be worth investigating?


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    Interesting find,,
    Tafan in Kora, Dutch would have been trading from 1645 on?
    St Jaean the T being J the F being E
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    ST. Afan, Welsh Saint,
    Any cannon left on the site?

  14. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robot View Post
    A "Long Shot Clue" that may have to do with the meaning of the word, apparently appearing on the Bell...Tafan!

    Punjabi word named after King Tafan.

    A connection may have to do with the 17th Century...Prince Rupert of the Rhine, Duke of Cumberland.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    Prince Rupert was credited for the invention of Tempered or Toughened Glass:

    I believe his intent was to use these Tafan Glass Balls for ballistics.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Prince Rupert 2.png 
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    “Prince Rupert's drops (also known as Dutch or Batavian tears) are toughened glass beads created by dripping molten glass into cold water, which causes it to solidify into a tadpole-shaped droplet with a long, thin tail. These droplets are characterized internally by very high residual stresses, which give rise to counter-intuitive properties, such as the ability to withstand a blow from a hammer or a bullet on the bulbous end without breaking, while exhibiting explosive disintegration if the tail end is even slightly damaged.
    The drops are named after Prince Rupert of the Rhine, who brought them to England in 1660, although they were reportedly being produced in the Netherlands earlier in the 17th century and had probably been known to glass makers for much longer. They were studied as scientific curiosities by the Royal Society and the unravelling of the principles of their unusual properties probably led to the development of the process for the production of toughened glass.”

    Out of the several ships he sailed and lost while "Pirating" in the Caribbean, one may have gone by the name...Tafan!


    Rupert crossed back into the Atlantic and, during 1651, cut west to the Azores,capturing vessels as he went. He intended to continue on to the West Indies,where there would be many rich targets. Instead he encountered a late summer storm, leading to the sinking of the Constant Reformation with the loss of 333 lives—almost including Rupert's brother, Prince Maurice, who only just escaped and a great deal of captured treasure. Turning back to regroup, repair and re-equip in early 1652, Rupert's reduced force moored at Cape Blanc,an island near what is now Mauritania. Rupert took the opportunity to explore and acquired a Moorish servant boy,who remained in his service for many years. Rupert also explored 150 miles up the Gambia River, taking two Spanish vessels asprizes and contracting malaria in the process.
    Rupert then finally made a successful crossing into the Caribbean, landing first at Saint Lucia,before continuing up the chain of the Antilles to the Virgin Islands. There the fleet was hit by a hurricane,which scattered the ships and sank the Defiance, this time with Prince Maurice on board. It was a while before Maurice's death became certain, which came as a terrible blow to Rupert. He was forced to return to Europe, arriving in France in March 1653 with a fleet of five ships.

    It may be worth investigating?


    Whoa this post sent me down a wormhole... heh
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  15. #30
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    Tafan or Ifan?

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