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  1. #16
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    teller of tall tales

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    I detect the history: I've visited archives up & down the entire US East Coast, Bahamas, Jamaica, Kew, The Hague, etc. Have yet to go to Seville or S.American archives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    so if they (Spain) identify the crown property, and it is (deemed to be) toxic; can they be compelled to remove it ?
    or just take the treasure and leave the trash ?
    Exactly my thought. If they want to claim all the recoveries from their shipwrecks, shouldn't they claim responsibility for all the pollution/harm/deaths their shipwrecks (& other ships) caused as well? All the peoples they wiped out? All the slaves they sent to their various fates, none good? Where's the reparations for that?

    No intention to get off-topic political. It just seems that if you want to claim something, you must take the bad with the good.

  2. #17
    cr
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    Drake, Costa Rica
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    follow that thought
    1) Spain lists 'their' shipwrecks
    2) Spain prepares, for each wrecksite, an Environmental Impact Report to enable assessment of the risk
    3) Spain initiates, and completes, any remedial action necessitated by their​ shipwreck

    but be realistic, we can't even start to clean up the huge messes we have ongoing in the onshore US
    Last edited by BillA; Sep 05, 2019 at 10:17 AM.
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    follow that thought
    1) Spain lists 'their' shipwrecks
    2) Spain prepares, for each wrecksite, an Environmental Impact Report to enable assessment of the risk
    3) Spain initiates, and completes, any remedial action necessitated by their​ shipwreck
    this entire conversation is so &$%#@, who knows where to begin.

    Lets substitute.,.,,

    ) The United States lists 'their' shipwrecks
    2) United States prepares, for each wrecksite, an Environmental Impact Report to enable assessment of the risk
    3) United States initiates, and completes, any remedial action necessitated by their​ shipwreck.

    So a WWII US ship has been sunk. Given the materials an ammunition, as well as mercury, and other material on board.

    Given the size of a battleship vs the size of a historic Spanish treasure ship.

    How many US ships were sunk in WWI...WW@, and all the other sinkings...

    worried about a few pounds of inert mercury

    who is polluting the ocean more?
    Last edited by xaos; Sep 11, 2019 at 08:02 PM.
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    I love the taste of water, frozen into squares, and surrounded by rum

  4. #19
    cr
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    "who is polluting the ocean more?" - I guess you are splitting wrecks into old and new groups ?

    the point was to accept the responsibility of (claimed) ownership - applies to anyone; benefits, liabilities, whatever

    btw, the EIR is to assess the necessity (or not) for remedial action
    read 'em and weep guys, we're whizzing on our feet
    Americans never want to go back to the way America used to be

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...merica-used-be

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    us
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    Europe is cleaning up "their" battlefields of unexploded ordnance. As in sometimes the wars were not a voluntary event..............
    AARC and BillA like this.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." Friedrich Nietzsche

    "You ask where I live. I cannot tell you. I am a Voyageur, a Chicot, sir. I live everywhere. My grandfather was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. My father was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. I will also die while en route, and another Chicot will take my place. Such is our course of life."

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    ARC

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    So much garbage... so little time or money to clean it all up.

    So much treasure...

    All the time and money to recover every last coin.
    dredgernaut and BillA like this.
    Have permission... Fill holes... Dispose of trash. - The Random Chat Thread - http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ev...en-24-7-a.html

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    cr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bum Luck View Post
    Europe is cleaning up "their" battlefields of unexploded ordnance. As in sometimes the wars were not a voluntary event..............
    https://arctic.ru/news/20190916/878254.html

    it is a slow process, when will we clean up the WWII junk in Alaska ?
    Bum Luck likes this.
    read 'em and weep guys, we're whizzing on our feet
    Americans never want to go back to the way America used to be

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...merica-used-be

  8. #23
    us
    May 2008
    Wisconsin
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    https://arctic.ru/news/20190916/878254.html

    it is a slow process, when will we clean up the WWII junk in Alaska ?
    I wonder how tough it was for Mel working the Maquesas with the bombing through the years.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." Friedrich Nietzsche

    "You ask where I live. I cannot tell you. I am a Voyageur, a Chicot, sir. I live everywhere. My grandfather was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. My father was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. I will also die while en route, and another Chicot will take my place. Such is our course of life."

  9. #24
    us
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    Mercury sitting in water shouldnt bother anyone that took 3rd grade science.

    The floating islands of plastic? That's a different story.

 

 
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