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    If anybody gets to look at the list, can you see if there is a section of wrecks that contained tons of mercury that is turned into Methyl Mercury and polluting the food chain.
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    Spain is merely grabbing all that a foolish law permits, anyone would do the same.
    all governments are thieves (majority - with guns - rule)
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    If the Spanish didn't have the balls or wind to recover it themselves they don't deserve it.
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    I knew about this, but wondered about the motivation.

    Thought I'd kick back with a beer and watch n see what happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    Spain is merely grabbing all that a foolish law permits, anyone would do the same.
    all governments are thieves (majority - with guns - rule)
    They are doing well in our courts lately; that may be it.

    On the other hand, their history "over here" isn't as wonderful as they probably think it is.
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    If anybody gets to look at the list, can you see if there is a section of wrecks that contained tons of mercury that is turned into Methyl Mercury and polluting the food chain.
    What is your point?

    You make it seem like Treasure Hunters should be allowed to recover the shipwrecks to recover the Mercury and get it out of the food chain?

    When was the last time anyone ever recovered Mercury from a shipwreck? When was the last time anyone even saw Mercury on these shipwrecks? You may find a little here and there, as they carried this to cure syphilis...

    Look at the vast amount recovered from the Atocha!

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    https://www.academia.edu/2056690/Mercury_on_a_Galleon

    There are ships noted in the inventory that were carrying large amounts of Mercury TO the New World... go for it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...eather-pirates
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    I love the taste of water, frozen into squares, and surrounded by rum

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    Quote Originally Posted by xaos View Post
    What is your point?

    You make it seem like Treasure Hunters should be allowed to recover the shipwrecks to recover the Mercury and get it out of the food chain?

    When was the last time anyone ever recovered Mercury from a shipwreck? When was the last time anyone even saw Mercury on these shipwrecks? You may find a little here and there, as they carried this to cure syphilis...

    Look at the vast amount recovered from the Atocha!

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    https://www.academia.edu/2056690/Mercury_on_a_Galleon

    There are ships noted in the inventory that were carrying large amounts of Mercury TO the New World... go for it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...eather-pirates
    Mercury (like copper) was property of the crown. It was used in the amalgam process to refine silver ore.
    "Today's the day!" - Mel Fisher

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatlode View Post
    Mercury (like copper) was property of the crown. It was used in the amalgam process to refine silver ore.
    so if they (Spain) identify the crown property, and it is (deemed to be) toxic; can they be compelled to remove it ?
    or just take the treasure and leave the trash ?

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    I did. That's my hand, over there, getting mercury from in between frames of a Spanish late 16th century galleon.


    Quote Originally Posted by xaos View Post
    What is your point? When was the last time anyone ever recovered Mercury from a shipwreck? When was the last time anyone even saw Mercury on these shipwrecks?

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    Catalog the wrecks, plan on searching for them some day, now Spain can say, that Spanish galleons will no longer be considered abandoned or unidentified shipwrecks.











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    Right, I stated that there will be small amounts of Mercury, because they carried it as medicine...point being, small amounts. To recover a wreck to take a small amount of mercury out of the food chain is not a valid argument.

    Looking at Alexandres image, looks pretty intact after 400 years...and again, a very small amount.

    To recover a Mercury wreck, with large amounts of Mercury (and no treasure) well, go for it.

    Catalog the wrecks, plan on searching for them some day, now Spain can say, that Spanish galleons will no longer be considered abandoned or unidentified shipwrecks.
    Very true.
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    pt
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    we recovered about one gallon of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre View Post
    we recovered about one gallon of it.
    I would not be happy paying for that gallon recovery, but as taxpayers we have no choice (any tax payer, any place)

    ok, so the recovered gallon was a part of what ?
    so the % recovered was what ?
    the total cost for that % ?
    so the estimated/calculated cost of recovery could be ___________
    any remedial costs ?

    would these costs be billable to Spain (or Portugal or whomever) ?

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    To us, the mercury was just any like any other artifact. We recovered it from the site, during the excavation.

    Anyhow, in my opinion, the mercury, lying there, entombed within the shipwreck tumulus, not being mixed with water, not being agitated, was not a toxic stuff.

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    It's not hard to find references to Spanish galleons and large amounts of mercury:

    As of 75 days ago, the Dominican Republic still wants this out of their waters, but no one wants to pay for the clean up.
    https://learning.knoji.com/shipwreck...leons-of-1724/

    As above, but with Captain Tracy Bowden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...?noredirect=on

    an excerpt "They come from two ships, the Tolosa and the Guadalupe, which sailed from Spain in 1724 carrying 1,200 immigrants, sightseers and crew, a cargo of rich personal possessions and 400 tons of mercury."

    Corey Malcolm's excellent paper on the Atocha mercury: https://www.academia.edu/2056690/Mercury_on_a_Galleon

    La Galga...667 chests of mercury each weighing 150 lbs. About La Galga - The Hidden Galleon

    or perhaps you would enjoy this paper about how mercury pollution still persists today: https://www.academia.edu/20927980/Me...n_the_Americas

    Hundreds of peer reviewed resources at academia.edu
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