Treasure fever (La Trinité)

[Alexandre]

https://www.hakaimagazine.com/features/treasure-fever/


Treasure Fever


The discovery of a legendary, lost shipwreck in North America has pitted treasure hunters and archaeologists against each other, raising questions about who should control sunken riches.

 

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[ROBOTCOP13]

Two brief comments.
Some "archaeologists/historians" when they were young, were treasure hunters.
They acquired nice collections of artifacts and in fact became wealthy, not mentioning any names.
Now in their later years they seek professional recognition as historians.
I don't see them turning their collections over to museums for free.
Second,
Why do European treasure hunters come to the United States to search for Shipwrecks/treasure?
Because they are not allowed to participate in this activity back at their home country or just about anywhere else in this world.
Because the United States has always recognized the power of the "pursuit of happiness" as an individual's right in this country.

 

[Au_Dreamers]

Pretty bias writing.

Here's the Cliff notes;

Meide—led a six-week expedition sponsored **(tax dollars)** by the state and federal governments in 2014 to try **( Do or do not, there is no try, Yoda)**to find La Trinité.

In May 2016, a salvor named Bobby Pritchett, president of Global Marine Exploration (GME) in Tampa, Florida, announced that he had discovered scattered remains of a ship buried a kilometer off Cape Canaveral. Over the prior three years, he and his crew had obtained 14 state permits to survey and dive a nearly 260-square-kilometer area off the cape; they did so around 250 days each year, backed by investor funds of, he claims, US $4-million. -** NOT tax dollars


In 1961, a treasure hunter named Kip Wagner and his crew found and recovered about 4,000 silver coins from the treasure coast. They formed a team, called Real Eight, and ultimately salvaged over $6-million in coins and artifacts from the 1715 Spanish fleet. The collection was impressive enough to grace the January 1965 issue of National Geographic.

And those same sites through continued contributions from the private sector salvage community has provided the citizens of the State of Florida the greatest collection of historical colonial American shipwreck artifacts the world has ever seen. Some can be seen on the display at the State Museum in Tallahassee Florida, some have been lost and or while in the custodianship of the State.

"Back then, there was no animosity between archaeologists and treasure hunters, who often worked side by side."

Well, that's just total BS and just another point of how poor the writer's research was for the article, SMH!

Meide’s first reaction when he heard La Trinité had likely been discovered was joy, but his second reaction was horror. “The worst thing that could happen to a shipwreck is to be found by a treasure hunter. Better that it not be found at all,” he says,...

He wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for treasure hunters....

 

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[sphillips]

Makes you wonder why, if this ship is so important to The history of France, why weren’t they already here looking for it! Well, we all know why, they were just waiting on the sidelines for a treasure salvage company to do the heavy lifting at great expense so that all they had to do raise their hand and say, “now it’s ours”. This country was built on private enterprise and ingenuity. This ship would never have been found if it wasn’t for the private enterprise efforts of Mr. Pritchett. Inept bureaucratic overreaching governments would still be reading books and twiddling their thumbs.

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

NOT to get political but it comes back to the same argument.

What works better, capitalism or socialism?

Look around, not too hard to figure out.

 

[ARC]

It has been ingrained in society that we must put so much emphasis on our past... But really in truth... it is ONLY today and the future that really matters.
The past may teach us minor things but really is almost always shrouded in conjecture and theories at best anyway... and very little "fact" is really achieved.

None of which really does anything other than give us more than a loose story to tell others... which... most overall could care less.
Learning the past really... overall... has no bearing on the future... and its historical "value" is really moot to the generations yet to follow.

Preservation of certain things is one thing but to try and preserve and hold every little thing is madness... and costly to tax payers...
that is .... unless the taxpayers are charged an admission to see only part of the items and a "best guess" of the story.

Two words come to mind when thinking of the battered ships waiting to be rescued by those who want to "protect our past".

Control Freak.

--con·trol freak : noun - informal - noun: control freak; plural noun: control freaks

"a person who feels an obsessive need to exercise control over themselves and others and to take command of any situation."

The thought of loosing "control" of something that does not belong to them that in essence is only a material thing... is a classic symptom of this condition.

Salvage should be a right... a profession left to those with the balls to go get it.

And to those who "want it all"... under the guise of "preserving for the future"...
You want the items recovered for your museum ? ? ? BUY THEM.
You want control over a shipwreck ? ? ? FIND AND RECOVER THEM FIRST !

PS...

Just think... IF salvage and exploration were legal to do... if permits were granted on a regular basis... if acrhies and salvors could work together... both gaining...

Imagine the things we ALL could get to see and learn NOW.

Imagine the money ALL could make... and the economic boom from this.

The earth will be long gone at this rate and only small amount of recovery will be done.

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

Well Socialism is the ultimate "control freak" philosophy.

The government controls everything.

 

[enrada]

Is it true that Florida is changing the coast name from "Treasure Coast" to "Takeaway Coast"?

 

[ARC]

Is it true that Florida is changing the coast name from "Treasure Coast" to "Takeaway Coast"?

Spain would REALLY love that... for they would "takeaway" anything they thought they could.... just like they always have.... how do you think they got it to begin with.

But just to be "fair"... they aren't the only government that will. heh

And they wonder why some out there think "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".

 

[jenbooks]

Hey, I wrote this piece and I spent 18 months on it. I'm really glad you posted it, Alexandre, but I would request that you reproduce only the first few paragraphs and then link to Hakai. Magazines can't survive financially--nor pay authors--without traffic to their site, which convinces foundations to continue funding, or advertisers to pay for ads. Thanks!

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

Well Jen, you see, you're a capitalist and from a socialist's viewpoint "you didn't build that". You had help.

After all public funds were spent to teach you how to read and write.

Therefore, you been co-opted.

You get my sarcasm, right?

 

[enrada]

Jenbooks
Would you please give us names of ALL the people you consulted with to write the article. Notes, bibliography etc.

 

[ARC]

Hey, I wrote this piece and I spent 18 months on it. I'm really glad you posted it, Alexandre, but I would request that you reproduce only the first few paragraphs and then link to Hakai. Magazines can't survive financially--nor pay authors--without traffic to their site, which convinces foundations to continue funding, or advertisers to pay for ads. Thanks!

I really liked it...
Also... Tell Chad I liked his artwork.
I will link it for you.

I saw another member post a another thread... cant remember if a link was included or not.

You'll find... in writing more about this / these subjects...
you will always have an audience.

Keep it up.

 

[agflit]

Waiting to see how much of Jenbooks "information" is in the future "published" within certain "Academic" circles....by others.

 

[signumops]

Jenbooks
Would you please give us names of ALL the people you consulted with to write the article. Notes, bibliography etc.

She consulted with me, for one, and I provided her with information from "A Hundred Giants: New Discoveries".

 

[BillA]

Alexandre - you trolled us, good line btw

I first read the article w/o noticing the byline and I was ashamed for you
then I looked up the author and was set straight, written for her normal audience - ok
(most in the US are childlike so the audience/author are a good fit)

there are 2 opposed groups; 1) private individuals and 2) public individuals paid by the public - fighting over ownership of lost vessels

looking at the lost vessels; a ship is a ship and its ownership is moot once sunk and abandoned

a vessel owned or chartered by a government is to remain the property of a government forever ?
who said that ? they were and are wrong
lets follow that title
Gov A rents/builds a boat and then looses it. Where is it ?
It is up to Gov A to maintain their title via searching, and eventually recovery.
So what happens when Gov A is overthrown by Gov B ?
It is up to Gov B to maintain their title via searching, and eventually recovery.

So the vessel/contents were insured, and the loss paid; now up to the insurance co to maintain their claim.
If the cargo was reimbursed due to loss, and the insurance co cannot or will not effect the search and the recovery;
why would ownership of lost property remain forever with those who paid the loss ? (a commercial activity)

I am not a lawyer so pardon the imprecision, but how was the ownership of the ships' contents established ?
looking specifically at Spanish ships lost during the sacking and enslavement of the New World,
how can any person approve of the Spanish ownership of loot lost during its transport to Spain ?

Admiralty Law should apply (as I understand it, lol)

 

[BillA]

lets explore government ownership - never changes eh ? ?

what happened to the gold reserves of the Ukraine ? (a Gulfstream)
what happened to the gold reserves of Libya ? (C130s)

now if that stolen gold was admixed with the 'legal' gold, what is its legal status ?

 

[ARC]

I find it funny how at the time of a "loss" of ship / cargo... no claims were made...

And "after" (like after a war) ... no claims were made...

And subsequent years even decades upon decades passing... and yet still no claims are made...

Then when someone finds it.

Claims are made.

 

[BillA]

easy answer ARC
scavenger society