Bum Luck
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- May 24, 2008
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from: https://www.buscadores-tesoros.com/t24756-el-juncal-galeon-hundido
It is striking that, for a matter of days, the departure of the expedition almost coincides with the presentation of the book The Three Creeds of Don Andrés de Aristizábal, by Fernando Serrano Mangas (edited by the Universidad Veracruzana), which took place at the beginning of May of this year. This, according to Santiago Mata, generated animosity at the National Institute of Anthropology and History. Presumably, the suspicion of the presentation of the book should have been caused because in this Serrano Mangas details the possible location of the Juncal (map 2), among many other valuable data that reconstruct the history of the fleet. It should be noted that the SAS published in 2003 The New Spain Fleet of 1630-1631, book coordinated by Flor de María Trejo and edited by INAH, in which various authors rescue information from the fleet and in particular about the Juncal, but in which an area of location of the wreck is not exposed as the one determined by Serrano Sleeves In this regard, until the end of 2009, SAS did not have a defined wreck location area and, however, expedition after expedition, varied search areas without a methodology that justified it, squandering economic resources of the treasury.
Dr. Serrano Mangas collaborated with the Underwater Archeology Branch some time ago on issues related to Juncal. It is possible that due to this and due to the imminent presentation of his book he tried to keep the dates of the expedition, the participants and the survey areas secret, if the SAS went out to sea to look for the wreck in the areas proposed by the Spanish researcher, who did not participate in the search. Now we need to know if they found the wreck and at what point. If so, it could be confirmed that it was in one of the locations proposed by Dr. Serrano. The Sub-Directorate of Underwater Archeology has the opportunity to make public its areas of prospecting by pointing out the methodology used to define them, and if they coincide with those of Dr. Serrano explain why.
Regarding the exclusion of Dr. Serrano from the expedition, and with that from the Spanish Ministry of Culture, it should be emphasized that the Juncal is in Mexican waters, which automatically demarcates it from Spain regarding the sense of material ownership, which does not it implies the exclusion of the Spaniards from the search and, where appropriate, excavation of the wreck. Also, if it were to protect the submerged archeological heritage, and as a result of keeping the expedition and its results secret, then the participation of Americans and that they handle the strategic information would not be explained. This is an issue that should be of the highest interest of society and our rulers, and should even be considered a matter of national security for the historical and economic value it represents.
Note: Dr. Serrano Mangas authorized this weekly to reproduce information contained in his book. The maps were provided by Dr. Loïc Ménanteau, a researcher at LETG Nantes Géolittomer and the University of Nantes, France.
Map 1. Hypotheses about the defeats and situation of the wrecks of three ships of the New Spain Fleet of 1631, in the South of the Gulf of Mexico. Conception and realization: Loïc Ménanteau (LETG Nantes Géolittomer). Source: Secretariat of the Navy, 2006, and others.
Map 2. Hypotheses based on the three types of league (English, Spanish and coastal) on the location of the shipwreck of Admiral Nuestra Señora del Juncal north of Cayo Arcas. Conception and realization: Loïc Ménanteau (LETG Nantes Géolittomer). Source: Secretariat of the Navy, 2006, and others. Bottom types: A, sand; To Cn, conchiferous sand; A Co, sand with coral; AG, sand with gravel; A gr, gray sand; Co Lo, coral with mud; The mud; The gr, mud with gravel; Lo Cn, mud with coral; The vr, green mud; RC Rocky.
Here's another link: https://www.facebook.com/notes/ship...he-nuestra-senora-de-juncal-/673849032630614/
It is striking that, for a matter of days, the departure of the expedition almost coincides with the presentation of the book The Three Creeds of Don Andrés de Aristizábal, by Fernando Serrano Mangas (edited by the Universidad Veracruzana), which took place at the beginning of May of this year. This, according to Santiago Mata, generated animosity at the National Institute of Anthropology and History. Presumably, the suspicion of the presentation of the book should have been caused because in this Serrano Mangas details the possible location of the Juncal (map 2), among many other valuable data that reconstruct the history of the fleet. It should be noted that the SAS published in 2003 The New Spain Fleet of 1630-1631, book coordinated by Flor de María Trejo and edited by INAH, in which various authors rescue information from the fleet and in particular about the Juncal, but in which an area of location of the wreck is not exposed as the one determined by Serrano Sleeves In this regard, until the end of 2009, SAS did not have a defined wreck location area and, however, expedition after expedition, varied search areas without a methodology that justified it, squandering economic resources of the treasury.
Dr. Serrano Mangas collaborated with the Underwater Archeology Branch some time ago on issues related to Juncal. It is possible that due to this and due to the imminent presentation of his book he tried to keep the dates of the expedition, the participants and the survey areas secret, if the SAS went out to sea to look for the wreck in the areas proposed by the Spanish researcher, who did not participate in the search. Now we need to know if they found the wreck and at what point. If so, it could be confirmed that it was in one of the locations proposed by Dr. Serrano. The Sub-Directorate of Underwater Archeology has the opportunity to make public its areas of prospecting by pointing out the methodology used to define them, and if they coincide with those of Dr. Serrano explain why.
Regarding the exclusion of Dr. Serrano from the expedition, and with that from the Spanish Ministry of Culture, it should be emphasized that the Juncal is in Mexican waters, which automatically demarcates it from Spain regarding the sense of material ownership, which does not it implies the exclusion of the Spaniards from the search and, where appropriate, excavation of the wreck. Also, if it were to protect the submerged archeological heritage, and as a result of keeping the expedition and its results secret, then the participation of Americans and that they handle the strategic information would not be explained. This is an issue that should be of the highest interest of society and our rulers, and should even be considered a matter of national security for the historical and economic value it represents.
Note: Dr. Serrano Mangas authorized this weekly to reproduce information contained in his book. The maps were provided by Dr. Loïc Ménanteau, a researcher at LETG Nantes Géolittomer and the University of Nantes, France.
Map 1. Hypotheses about the defeats and situation of the wrecks of three ships of the New Spain Fleet of 1631, in the South of the Gulf of Mexico. Conception and realization: Loïc Ménanteau (LETG Nantes Géolittomer). Source: Secretariat of the Navy, 2006, and others.
Map 2. Hypotheses based on the three types of league (English, Spanish and coastal) on the location of the shipwreck of Admiral Nuestra Señora del Juncal north of Cayo Arcas. Conception and realization: Loïc Ménanteau (LETG Nantes Géolittomer). Source: Secretariat of the Navy, 2006, and others. Bottom types: A, sand; To Cn, conchiferous sand; A Co, sand with coral; AG, sand with gravel; A gr, gray sand; Co Lo, coral with mud; The mud; The gr, mud with gravel; Lo Cn, mud with coral; The vr, green mud; RC Rocky.
Here's another link: https://www.facebook.com/notes/ship...he-nuestra-senora-de-juncal-/673849032630614/
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