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    The more I read about the age and dates for different types of ships spikes the more I get confused. Here are some different types I've found over the years. All of them are different. I think part of the confusion is in the definition of spike, nail, and pin. The long one im holding is a pin....the rest are spikes. Ive left out the smaller nails for now. So I've come to the conclusion that no 2 sources are in much agreement about the time periods of use. I know one of these spikes is a cast bronze piece with a seam....i was under the impression that a cast piece would be of a later time period than earlier....now I have others that say it could be very early. I do have a record of where they all were found....and it might be nice to know just how old these pieces are !! So what do you guys know about ships spikes ?
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    I didn't know you were that good with spikes ARC. Well let's see if anyone agrees with your assessment. I was thinking that the middle spike in the second row was the oldest....possibly 16th century galleon.....back when spain was still building with bronze. The second one down from top I think your right about because it was out in front of preachers cave in eluthera....1680s-early 1700s....i think ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
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    I like that ARC
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    Here is interesting read btw... especially since you own so many and prolly will find more.... it is a "pricey" book but perhaps you could buy a used copy... or maybe local library has a copy.

    https://www.tamupress.com/book/97815...ps-fastenings/
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    Still that document makes me believe that any number of mixed fasteners could be used on a single ship with multiple styles being represented. That big pin in my hand is a blind fastener for sure in my opinion....so not 100% sure its as late as 1900s.....its definitely not a bolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    Oh and I keep forgetting downloading "e-book" version.

    Me I am a "hands on book guy.

    I want it on my shelf
    I think I need that too....now I have to search for what I once read in my books too.
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    Thats definitely the book I want ARC...thanks bud that looks good !!
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    I still say... IMO... your top 2 are the oldest.
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    Lets see if others will chime in shall we.
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    Here we see 3 types of fasteners at once. Spikes,nails, and holes from trennels. But I still can't date this timber.....i have nothing but the fasteners....just a timber that was up in the mangroves and mud.
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    you could be very right ARC...im kinda at a loss with random finds like these.....would sure help me make a decision on which spot I should be looking around at.....and if I had 1500s era spikes coming up....well let's just say I'd love to spend more time and effort at those older sites !!
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    They pop up here and there on land too....last one came out of this rootball !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blak bart View Post
    ....possibly 16th century galleon.....back when spain was still building with bronze.
    If you find a copper alloy fastener it is either:

    1) 99.9% dating from post 1770s;

    2) 00.1% from a Roman wreck.

    Spain, or any other seafaring nation, never used copper alloy fasteners in the 15, 16 or 17th centuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre View Post
    If you find a copper alloy fastener it is either:

    1) 99.9% dating from post 1770s;

    2) 00.1% from a Roman wreck.

    Spain, or any other seafaring nation, never used copper alloy fasteners in the 15, 16 or 17th centuries.
    I think you might slightly "off" on that date...

    Beings there were patents made for hulls completely comprised of bronze in 1740... after a practice of such where the nails were nailed one by one... as close together as possible to produce a continuous "sheathing" / "skin"... as to prevent fouling of course.
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