Is Gary Drayton right? Is there 1715 treasure in the Indian River?

[sphillips]

And they will get your little dog too my pretty !

 

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[Red_desert]

Tim who we knew as BigDogDaddy(?) tried to get a river permit once. Tim went to board meetings about it. They don't want to give river permits and if they did, you will be told you can't keep anything.

 

[ARC]

Besides... there has been sightings of a "patrol" working the area...

Photo taken by spear fisherman of a White at Sebastian Inlet.




And then there is this other one patrolling the sand... heh

 

[PhipsFolly]

I dove with Katharine the Great White Shark about 4 years ago off of Treasure Shores/Vero area... up until that moment, I had no idea Great Whites were that close to shore... I was in 22 feet of water! Needless to say, I got out for the rest of the day that day... freaked me out!

 

[ARC]

I dove with Katharine the Great White Shark about 4 years ago off of Treasure Shores/Vero area... up until that moment, I had no idea Great Whites were that close to shore... I was in 22 feet of water! Needless to say, I got out for the rest of the day that day... freaked me out!

I too had one white experience... (errr hmmm that doesn't sound right at all) :P

Anyway... I will attest.. seeing a shark of any kind checking you out is a moment where the fear / respect adrenaline kicks in... and if not... your basically are already bait... and should

But there is something about a white that dumps that feeling on double when seeing one with / near you.

Bulls also have this same effect as a white.

In comparison... I have seen over the years mostly hammers and they don't creep me half as bad.

I often think / imagine a tiger would effect me if I were to ever see one of those.. and hope I never do.

Just knowing the "modus operandi" of each species seems to enhance these feelings... I am sure.

 

[ECS]

Anyone that watches WESH TV Channel 2 Daytona Beach has seen their just off shore yearly mass shark migration videos filmed from an airplane with unaware swimmers in the water just a few yards away.

 

[Red_desert]

Recent years, it seems that more whites are gathering, along the east coast and even farther north, just out a little from swimmers at beaches.

 

[Black Jack James]

So I was watching an episode of Expedition Unknown and Gary Drayton was featured. He claims in the episode he has found 1715 fleet artifacts in the mangrove swamps of the Indian River lagoon system that apparently washed over during the original hurricane or possibly subsequent ones.

What do you knowledgeable locals say

Knowledgeable pirates could give half a rats ass what a transplant from the U.K thinks or knows. Since 1979 my uncle has figured out a plethora of knowledge about the wrecks that has produced enough artifacts to fill a museum.

 

[ropesfish]

I worked on that episode of Expedition Unknown, mostly on the Chris James segment. My buddy, Terry Wildey ran the boat on the Greg Bounds segment. I had nothing to do with the Drayton segment, but the spot they were supposed to be working is visible from the park across the street. That segment was nothing but fantasy on several levels.
So..if the question is "are there 1715 artifacts up the San Sebastian River in the mangroves', I would say 99.91% unlikely. I fish up there a good bit and the river was never very deep, The whole river is about 12 miles long (excepting the C-54 Canal which is a new construction) and empties into the IRL which is about 4 ft deep on average. I can't imagine a way for a current to develop the velocity needed to cut the river bottom deeper than the estuary that the river empties into, so nothing sailed over this way and sank..
On the question "Are there 1715 artifacts in the IRL". Probably.
The IRL was almost pure fresh water at Sebastian at that time. There was no Inlet as we know it now.
If there was an inlet south of where the Inlet is now, it would have been very narrow and very very shallow. After years of work and hundreds of barges full of coquina it still standed completely closed during WW2 to the point it took 3 years to open it back up.
This is a picture of the Sebastian Inlet in 1946

 

[PhipsFolly]

There are definately 1715 materials in the IRL in certain areas (confirmed) and I’ve heard stories of materials found up the Sebastian River as well (unconfirmed) but absolutely agree with Ropesfish that the segment on Expedition Unknown was not factual... just my two cents...

 

[PetesPockets55]

I worked on that episode of Expedition Unknown, mostly on the Chris James segment. My buddy, Terry Wildey ran the boat on the Greg Bounds segment. I had nothing to do with the Drayton segment, but the spot they were supposed to be working is visible from the park across the street. That segment was nothing but fantasy on several levels.
So..if the question is "are there 1715 artifacts up the San Sebastian River in the mangroves', I would say 99.91% unlikely. I fish up there a good bit and the river was never very deep, The whole river is about 12 miles long (excepting the C-54 Canal which is a new construction) and empties into the IRL which is about 4 ft deep on average. I can't imagine a way for a current to develop the velocity needed to cut the river bottom deeper than the estuary that the river empties into, so nothing sailed over this way and sank..
On the question "Are there 1715 artifacts in the IRL". Probably.
The IRL was almost pure fresh water at Sebastian at that time. There was no Inlet as we know it now.
If there was an inlet south of where the Inlet is now, it would have been very narrow and very very shallow. After years of work and hundreds of barges full of coquina it still standed completely closed during WW2 to the point it took 3 years to open it back up.
This is a picture of the Sebastian Inlet in 1946
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I noticed the circular area of water north of the inlet in 1945. Is that circular area what is used as the tidal swimming area today?
I've added some arrows to your image.

ps. In February I was talking to some construction workers at Boppy's about the road work they were working on this year by McClarty. He said the original plan of installing a 1/2" thick vinyl seawall on the river side (being installed to deter erosion) had to be reworked. The rocks/coquina/reef were only down about 7' and they could not drive the vinyl planks through it no matter what they tried. That is why they went to a formed and poured concrete one that seems to double as a sidewalk.
I don't know if it is tied to the underlying rock/reef with rebar, but I would imagine it has to be to keep from being undermined.

 

[Jolly Mon]

There are definately 1715 materials in the IRL in certain areas (confirmed) and I’ve heard stories of materials found up the Sebastian River as well (unconfirmed) but absolutely agree with Ropesfish that the segment on Expedition Unknown was not factual... just my two cents...

I don't watch much TV and did not even know Expedition Unknown existed until a few weeks ago. Now that I've watched a few episodes, I take anything I see on it with a huge grain of salt. They did an entire episode searching for Gasparilla's treasure without ever bothering to mention that the entire Gasparilla legend is almost certainly pure B.S.

 

[Jason in Enid]

I don't watch much TV and did not even know Expedition Unknown existed until a few weeks ago. Now that I've watched a few episodes, I take anything I see on it with a huge grain of salt. They did an entire episode searching for Gasparilla's treasure without ever bothering to mention that the entire Gasparilla legend is almost certainly pure B.S.

Well, they also chase bigfoot, ghost, and UFOs, sooooo

 

[sphillips]

I noticed the circular area of water north of the inlet in 1945. Is that circular area what is used as the tidal swimming area today?
I've added some arrows to your image.

ps. In February I was talking to some construction workers at Boppy's about the road work they were working on this year by McClarty. He said the original plan of installing a 1/2" thick vinyl seawall on the river side (being installed to deter erosion) had to be reworked. The rocks/coquina/reef were only down about 7' and they could not drive the vinyl planks through it no matter what they tried. That is why they went to a formed and poured concrete one that seems to double as a sidewalk.
I don't know if it is tied to the underlying rock/reef with rebar, but I would imagine it has to be to keep from being undermined.

didn't one of Bernard Romans maps show a natural inlet on the island opposite the sebastian river?

 

[ARC]

That's the thing about particularly thin barrier islands... once awash... and circumstances are right... a new channel can be born and an existing one closed... happens rarely but can and does happen... and will almost certainly happen at some point with all barrier islands that are not "maintained"... this can happen several times over... especially over 3 hundred year span.

 

[PetesPockets55]

didn't one of Bernard Romans maps show a natural inlet on the island opposite the sebastian river?

I'm not sure. But his map from the cover of the "Winter Beach Salvage Camp" doesn't have an inlet at all and the strip of beach (south of the image above) is drawn pretty wide, so I'm not sure how precise this cover image is.

That's the thing about particularly thin barrier islands... once awash... and circumstances are right... a new channel can be born and an existing one closed... happens rarely but can and does happen... and will almost certainly happen at some point with all barrier islands that are not "maintained"... this can happen several times over... especially over 3 hundred year span.

I agree wholeheartedly with AARC.
Mother nature will put the inlet wherever she da*n well pleases when there is a strip of sand this narrow. The "inlet" could have been along the entire thin strip or a portion of it, like a disappearing infinity horizon pool. Also, the narrow strip of island at McClarty is probably a little wider than previously because of A1A.

 

[CaptEsteban]

So many people believe that the shoreline features stay the same ! They can change drastically in just in a lifetime, so think what might happen in 300 years !!

 

[Boatlode]

There would have to be a lot of gold to get me to dive in that sewer.

 

[ARC]

There would have to be a lot of gold to get me to dive in that sewer.

I will do it with no gear at all... pair of shorts... IF I knew gold was in there. :P

Ok ok.... is there silver then ? ? ?

Rum ? ? ?

 

[Mudflap]

There would have to be a lot of gold to get me to dive in that sewer.

Two guys sitting in a 2 holer out house. One guy hiked up his pants and as he did a quarter popped from his pocket and went right in the hole!! He promptly pulled out his wallet and tossed a !0 spot right in the hole. The other guy asked "What the heck you do that for!" The guy answered. " Cuz I ain't gonna climb down there for just a quarter.................