Underwater Spanish Forts-Picolata and Francis de Pupo

[Larsmed]

I know this may not be in the correct subject area, but I figured hey its underwater now so it is somewhat like a shipwreck...

Does anyone know of any succesful excavations of these sunken forts?

Some Arch students from FU checked out the site and did not find anything, but concluded, the river had washed over....Im wondering if they were wrong or right? Historical markers are on each side of the St. Johns, marking the most narrow path..The spanish had these small forts on each side to "try" to stop the British...of course with no success..these forts were abandoned and taken over at one time by oglethorpe.

Checkout the article

http://www.anthro.fsu.edu/research/uw/research/picolata.html

Larry

 

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[FISHEYE]

Re: Underwater Spanish Fort-Picolata

You might find the fort on land now.The st johns river level is down by at least 5-6 foot.Since seminole county is now sucking water out of the river for drinking water it will go down alot faster.

 

[Silvestri]

Re: Underwater Spanish Fort-Picolata

I remember when i first got on here in 2006 someone had mentioned finding a a fairly large Spanish encampment and shipwreck on Black creek around the confluence with the St John...does anybody kno what I am talking about? I cant remember the details exactly but would like to...at this stage in my studies...

 

[scottone928]

Re: Underwater Spanish Fort-Picolata

I remember when i first got on here in 2006 someone had mentioned finding a a fairly large Spanish encampment and shipwreck on Black creek around the confluence with the St John...does anybody kno what I am talking about? I cant remember the details exactly but would like to...at this stage in my studies...

Interesting, I never heard of that. I live in a subdivision at the mouth of Black Creek and the St. Johns. I know of a big Indian villiage that was in the area, I think is was called Welusta. Also there was a fort at the North and South prongs in Black Creek called Fort Helm.

 

[Larsmed]

It was called fort heilman..You can find old coins at the location as well as relics..

Larry

 

[jwertz]

There is an unknown shipwreck near the mouth of BlackCreek. It is visable just below the surface. However, if you don't know where it is you would never find it. Here is a link about it.
http://www.anthro.fsu.edu/research/uw/research/ships/black_creek/black_creek.html

As for the forts, I'm not sure about the one on the St.Johns side but there is almost nothing left of the one in Green Cove.


Jeff

 

[Chagy]

jwerzt

Welcome to the shipwreck forum!!!......Interesting article, googd reading.....Thanks for sharing......Looking forward to read more of your post's.....

Larsmed,

Interesting site.....Is that a State park? Can you metal detect tha area? It would make a great hunting site!!!!!

All the best,

Chagy......

 

[pcolaboy]

Wow it's amazing that such a large ship could get up such a narrow portion of the creek. Was there a timber/lumber operation at the head of the creek or something?

 

[Larsmed]

The sites are old forts...more like tiny shacks the spanish had the narrowest part of the st johns to catch British ships.

General moor raided these forts with little resistance...muskets and 8 pounder cannons were taken.

There was an attempted excavation on one of them...there pretty much underwater as the water has risen since then..

As for the st johns there is a confederate steamer wreck after hitting amine. the ma[le leaf.

larry