Help to IDing

[Jacky]

Hi everyone
Need help to identify this coin...
Is this the 2 reales from Lima, Peru PhillipII?




Thanks in advance.

[divewrecks]

2 reales, Lima mint and you are right about the King, Phillip II...

Stan

[divewrecks]

It can further be narrowed down as being between 1568 and early 1571. In that year the pillar and waves changed to the cross. It is almost certainly assayer R (Rincoln), because there are no known examples of a 2 reale denomination with assayer X (Xines) who replaced Rincoln in 1571. Sewal Menzel's book "Cobs, Pieces of Eight and Treasure Coins" refers to your coin as a sub-type Ic (because of the "VSV" being between the pillars).

Stan

[Jacky]

Thanks Stan
I´m not seeling it but what is the value of this coin...

[divewrecks]

Well, obviously it would be worth a good bit more without the corrosion. Is there any documentation about where it came from? If there is a good shipwreck story behind it it might bring $150. Otherwise maybe as low as $40. If I found it I would be happy just to keep it!

Stan

[Jacky]

Thanks. I found this at the beach detecting.
I has looking a couple of websites and didn´t find this coin for sale.

[Trez]

Are we looking at the same coin?

Looks like a Mexico 2 reales...1542 - 1572 (late series-waves present).....Charles and Juana......Philip II

Look in Sedwick's book....

Stan your correct...

Trez

[divewrecks]

Hmmm... I can pretty well make out the "I" and "P" form "PHILLIPVS" down around 4 and 5'oclock. The Mexico mint years you mention would say "CAROLVS" in this area.

Stan

[Trez]

Stan (you the man)
you are correct...helps to look at the legend.
I'm retiring.....lol....you have more time.
Now I really am retiring...you even had the book posted above and I missed that too...UUGGG I HATE GETTING OLD and blind. lol

It does look like Lima mint...page 168-169 of Cobs, Pieces of Eight and Treasure Coins "Sewell Menzel"
The Early Spanish-American Mints and Their Coinages 1536-1773.

Glad your here for everyone Stan...
Keep us honest.

Trez

[divewrecks]

Hey Trez, you can retire for tonight, but not permanently! I was on my other computer trying to get that image to sharpen up, but I couldn't get much out of it with my imaging software.

I'll have to say when I first looked at it I thought it might be a Potosi transition piece, so I was almost a good 100 years off to start. I didn't even get to the Mexican coins after finding the matchup on the pages you referenced so I could have just as easily been wrong too if I hadn't studied every detail. That's what makes these coins so much fun and it is all to easy for someone like me who is not an expert to make a mistake and not look at every detail.

Anyway, I just got lucky tonight. I'm still trying to figure out what the answer is to that Nazi counterstamp riddle.

Stan