The photographs make it very hard to make out the details, but I can tell you the following:
The coin is "Pillars and Waves" which makes it at least 1652 or later. It appears to be from the Potosi, Bolivia mint. It appears to be a 2 reale. The last digit appears to be an "8" in the date. I initially thought the assayer was a "V", and there are two assayers with that mark. With the digit "8" it fits neither assayers time period. If the mark is a monogrammed VR then it is Pedro de Villar, 1679 - 1699 - so it is possible that it is 1688 or 1698. If that assayers mark is an "M" then it is from 1728 - 1732, and 1737 - 1740.
Perhaps Don or Stan can shed more light on your coin. As far as authenticity...I don't render those opinions and the biggest help would be the weight, but that won't be possible with that bezel on it.
Your cross is known as a "cross of Jerusalem". Sorry I can't be more help than what I observed. Some better close-up pictures would help us.
Sorry guys. I know it's nearly impossible to tell much from these pics but it's for sale at a local auction and I don't have access to it to take better pics. I can enlarge the pics on the auction site and it looks like the date is 1788 ? Would that even be possible for this style of cob ?
Sorry guys. I know it's nearly impossible to tell much from these pics but it's for sale at a local auction and I don't have access to it to take better pics. I can enlarge the pics on the auction site and it looks like the date is 1788 ? Would that even be possible for this style of cob ?
The "pillars and waves" style were made between 1652 and 1773 at the Potosi mint. The key to the date is obviously the third row, middle...keep in mind there will only be two digits...thus 88. The verification is the assayers mark in the upper right hand corner...1st row, 3rd box. I previously stated that the assayer looked to be "VR"...an 88 would fit his coins. If the date is in fact an "88", your coin's assayer is Pedro de Villar, 1679-1699....therefore 1688. That is only based on what I believe I see.
After looking at the website where the auction is held, I agree with GCW's assessement: 2R, 1688; 'VR' monogrammed assayer's initials. Whether or not it is real or a replica, is beyond me.
Perhaps Don or Stan can shed more light on your coin. As far as authenticity...I don't render those opinions and the biggest help would be the weight, but that won't be possible with that bezel on it.
Authentic or not .......it sure is fun identifying the original.
Doesn't the auctioneer guarantee the items to be authentic? Don't ask about the cob, just ask a general question. In fact, be looking at something you know is legit when you ask.
As for the cob, I don't think anyone can say with those pics unless they can match a replica. What strikes me funny is the amount of tarnish on the bezel. Only a dumb criminal would be stupid enough to artificially age both the coin and bezel. I'm not saying an older silver bezel can't take on some color, but I bet the vast majority for sale are shiny and new looking because the bezel really means nothing. Maybe someone who follows these can comment on pieces showing up in older looking bezels. I've bought maybe half a dozen 8 reale cobs but never paid any attention to ones which were mounted. I'd either have to see this one in person or have a guarantee from the sale it's authentic.
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made by the website Atocha1622.com .. should be marked on back ( atc )
was about 24.95 new ..
yet this one is an older one .. no longer on his list
Originally Posted by dagfoto
from 1998 cataloge
Great ID dagfoto. My first question also would be why is it dirty? Are they hiding something? Are they trying to make it look old or dug out of the ground lol?
I agree its most likely one of the Atocha replicas.
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Dagfoto nailed it...it is "430D" in that catalogue. Also, notice that is "the cross of Jerusalem with no ornate quatrefoil". The authentic coin was 1688.
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