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    Mel Fisher I cant imagine finding even one Galleon but he lost Family and Friends in his search, he paid a high price. Great info everyone that is an awesome coin glad its the real deal
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    The obverse shield side of the coin has some pockets typical of using electro chemical cleaning on a group or clump of coins stuck together by silver sulfides. The metal had been donated away from the coin, to move toward the connected coin. I ran into this as an issue when I thought about buying a clump of reals off Sedwick's site to electrically clean and do a video on. I didn't go through with it for this issue, and I am uncertain of the step order I want to use to separate and clean the coins. This tends to make me think it is real, because faking a process error is a little too into the know and the why, I think it's probably a run of the mill 1615 to 1618 Potosi 8 reals. The major source for these are a hoard or two, that possible Hein wreck (1628), and the Atocha chests/clumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Sam View Post
    Sedwicks, a great coin auction house sells pirates coins all the time in auctions and they will tell you if it is real, and if yes, how much it is worth. Good luck. There pirate treasures in Connecticut with my name on it.
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    Sent any coins of these types, to a third grading services. Good luck.

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    Hi All,

    Any ideas whether this is real or fake? Now, as it was found around an estuary north of Jacksonville, I have my suspicions. However, it may be a Mel Fisher that was tossed for who knows what reason.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxonian View Post
    Hi All,

    Any ideas whether this is real or fake? Now, as it was found around an estuary north of Jacksonville, I have my suspicions. However, it may be a Mel Fisher that was tossed for who knows what reason.Click image for larger version. 

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    Fantasy Piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrdax View Post
    Got This Coin from Ebay 10 yrs ago. The coin and COA were framed together, I paid about $295 for it...
    I would like to know your opinions Real Or Fake?. Thanks
    www.atocha.com
    Has photos and prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlemcg View Post
    Does this look real or fake? Thanks in advance...It's in an auction and they say it's real. I'm wondering because the setting and coin are both of gold/silver shades. It seems like one would be different than the other one.

    Edited to add the description: Nuestra Señora de Atocha, 1622 - Authentic Atocha Treasure Coin. Measures 1 1/2" long. Total weight 7.6 grams.
    Quote Originally Posted by smokeythecat View Post
    Xrdax, yours is genuine. It has rather severe salt water damage. That is typical of coins that have been the ocean a long time.

    This piece is a cast replica 2 Reales produced by the Atocha Treasure Company (ATC)... in their signature "Atocha 1622" hallmark bezel. They produced many different Atocha-type coin replica casts over the past decade-plus. If you see a piece in one of those bezels, it is almost certainly one of their casts.

    A twin for comparison:
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    Now, as for the piece that started this thread...



    This particular style of COA - kind of similar to certain Fisher certs but with its own distinct font for "NUESTRA SENORA DE ATOCHA" - was (/is?) a version sold by Gulfstream Rarities. As I and several others have pointed out on here and elsewhere, their "1715 Fleet" framed 8R "coins" (AND also even their 1/2R pieces), plus their Hollandia wreck purported ducatons, have been shown to be cast fakes.

    As for these purported Atocha pieces of theirs... I have never seen any pattern of repeated identical imprint/stamping/"die" which would confirm that they are casts. Also, just looking the pieces themselves (have seen a number of eBay listings/photos over the past decade), my impression is that they ARE, amazingly enough, genuine coins.

    IF genuine, are they in fact Atocha? Who knows... though all the pieces I've seen are correct style-wise in terms of dating. If I recall correctly, though, I don't believe that the "85A-______" Coin Number given on these certs will show in the Fisher database. Amusingly in this case, though... note that the number printed is "000000"!! Whatever the nature of these, obviously a goof there.

    One might theorize that the Fishers would have sued this outfit if anything were amiss... given the fact that Gulfstream used the Fisher and "Treasure Salvors" name/logo on their "COAs". However, Gulfstream's confirmed 1715 Fleet casts were sold with facsimiles of Fisher's old Cobb Coin Co. half-sheet sized certs... so again, who knows.
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