Real or Fake 8 Reales Con
Welcome guest, is this your first visit?
Member
Discoveries
 
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 18
Like Tree38Likes

Thread: Real or Fake 8 Reales Con

« Prev Thread | Next Thread »
  1. #1

    Jul 2019
    6
    14 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Red face Real or Fake 8 Reales Con

    Hi All

    I wonder if anyone can help me with the attached photos. Whilst I know a lot about British coins and in particular sovereigns, I know nothing about Cobs.

    If anyone has the time to look at the below photos can you advise if the attached Cob is real or fake?

    All the best
    Vicar
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	97A12E19-3087-4416-AA24-0110F1139AEC.jpeg 
Views:	60 
Size:	2.88 MB 
ID:	1734942   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	E95DF642-C336-4104-8CE7-E6425E2E201D.jpeg 
Views:	49 
Size:	2.81 MB 
ID:	1734943  

  2. #2
    I like it. I am NOT the one to ask but looks like an 8 reale, and maybe 1667. Other who know better should chime in soon. Welcome.
    AARC, A2coins and Real of Tayopa like this.

  3. #3
    Charter Member
    us
    Dec 2008
    St. Augustine, FL
    4,109
    1648 times
    First knee jerk reaction is that it is real. I will chime in with details, but I want to see photos of it outside of the airtite capsule. It has been repaired with a hole filled in. Photos - front/back/edge. What is the weight? The only reason why I'm asking for more info is there is reason to pause in confirming the piece. Antonio Ergueta pieces are often collected/studied. But they are also faked from a cast of a real one.

    Second knee jerk reaction after looking at the full screen photos is that it is cast.

    Let's hold off until we can see photos independent of the glare created by the airtite.
    Last edited by Diver_Down; Jul 21, 2019 at 06:04 AM.
    AARC, Mackaydon, A2coins and 2 others like this.

  4. #4
    us
    ARC

    Aug 2014
    Bahia Del Espiritu Santo - "The Bay of the Holy Spirit” - La Florida
    JW 8X V.2 - ML X2 - VP 580
    20,507
    50452 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    I would upon looking at the pictures say real.

    If possible... can you remove from plastic and weigh it... this will solidify an opinion as to one way or another.
    RTR, A2coins and Real of Tayopa like this.
    Have permission... Fill holes... Dispose of trash. - The Random Chat Thread - http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ev...en-24-7-a.html

  5. #5

    Jul 2019
    6
    14 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Additional info...

    Hi All

    Thanks for the replies so far.

    Whilst I don't have my super accurate scales to hand, I have ones that indicate it weighs 22g.

    Also photos of of the coin out of the case.

    Best
    Tim
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_6761.jpg 
Views:	54 
Size:	2.75 MB 
ID:	1734962   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_3234.jpg 
Views:	49 
Size:	2.77 MB 
ID:	1734964  
    RTR, A2coins and Real of Tayopa like this.

  6. #6
    Charter Member
    us
    An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

    Oct 2004
    N. San Diego area (Pic of my two best 'finds'; son and grandson)
    Minelab Explorer
    19,500
    12642 times
    Shipwrecks
    Honorable Mentions (2)
    The light weight doesn't bother me after seeing the excessive physical depreciation and the possibility the coin was slightly clipped post production. The patched hole also adds to my initial belief the coin is real. Assuming the coin is real, I still wouldn't buy it since, in that condition, I cannot envision much appreciation in the future.
    Don.....
    AARC, gunsil and Real of Tayopa like this.

  7. #7

    Mar 2015
    65
    62 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Let’s see the third side photos.

  8. #8

    Jul 2019
    6
    14 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    And here are photos of the side....

    Thanks
    Vicar
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_5189.jpg 
Views:	33 
Size:	1.70 MB 
ID:	1735065   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_2254.jpg 
Views:	31 
Size:	1.65 MB 
ID:	1735066   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_5834.jpg 
Views:	28 
Size:	1.58 MB 
ID:	1735067   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_1437.jpg 
Views:	29 
Size:	1.71 MB 
ID:	1735068  
    Real of Tayopa likes this.

  9. #9
    us
    ARC

    Aug 2014
    Bahia Del Espiritu Santo - "The Bay of the Holy Spirit” - La Florida
    JW 8X V.2 - ML X2 - VP 580
    20,507
    50452 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by Mackaydon View Post
    The light weight doesn't bother me after seeing the excessive physical depreciation and the possibility the coin was slightly clipped post production. The patched hole also adds to my initial belief the coin is real. Assuming the coin is real, I still wouldn't buy it since, in that condition, I cannot envision much appreciation in the future.
    Don.....
    Although I agree... I also must point out something concerning the "appreciation" aspect...

    I for one believe these coins of all types will always appreciate due to the "in the future" lack of availability of them which has already been in slowly declining status over time.

    Wreck treasure salvage as a whole is a threatened species of work... And the publics ability to "purchase" finds from wrecks will be diminished over time IMO ... even though new wrecks are discovered with currency aboard... less and less is making it to the mainstream marketplace for public sales overall.

    Take the Nuestra Seņora de las Mercedes for example... with over 600,000 gold and silver coins weighing 17 metric tons in total recovered... not one for sale... as of yet.
    Real of Tayopa likes this.
    Have permission... Fill holes... Dispose of trash. - The Random Chat Thread - http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ev...en-24-7-a.html

  10. #10
    us
    ARC

    Aug 2014
    Bahia Del Espiritu Santo - "The Bay of the Holy Spirit” - La Florida
    JW 8X V.2 - ML X2 - VP 580
    20,507
    50452 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Oh... and as far as your coin is concerned... It's real... IMO of course.
    gunsil and Real of Tayopa like this.
    Have permission... Fill holes... Dispose of trash. - The Random Chat Thread - http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ev...en-24-7-a.html

  11. #11

    Jul 2019
    6
    14 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Many thanks for all of your considered opinions - much appreciated.

    Should anyone need advise on British Coinage please do get in touch.

    Best
    Tim
    AARC and Real of Tayopa like this.

  12. #12
    Charter Member
    us
    An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

    Oct 2004
    N. San Diego area (Pic of my two best 'finds'; son and grandson)
    Minelab Explorer
    19,500
    12642 times
    Shipwrecks
    Honorable Mentions (2)
    Vicar,
    A belated "Welcome to treasurenet !!"
    The coin's edge looks good to me.
    Don.......
    Real of Tayopa likes this.

  13. #13

    Jul 2019
    6
    14 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by Mackaydon View Post
    Vicar,
    A belated "Welcome to treasurenet !!"
    The coin's edge looks good to me.
    Don.......
    Many thanks Don!
    Real of Tayopa likes this.

  14. #14
    Charter Member
    us
    Dec 2008
    St. Augustine, FL
    4,109
    1648 times
    I'm a little late after my first response as I was out and about. Don and AARC have already allayed any concerns regarding the legitimacy. My initial knee-jerk opinion was that it was real, but when looking at the enlarged initial photos, it was a matter of analysis paralysis. The enlarged full-sized photos were so large that it exposed every nook/cranny and if you analyze these pieces in such detail, you will convince yourself of flaws. That being said, the piece is legitimate and the weight is good enough as explained by Don. With the repair and the current market having ample supply of Ergueta pieces, yours is a piece that I personally would avoid.

    Do you have any provenance with the piece? How was it acquired?
    Real of Tayopa and Mackaydon like this.

  15. #15

    Jul 2019
    6
    14 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Interestingly it was acquired by a friend who bought a collection of coins in Bermuda. The other coins were all genuine (English gold sovereigns and Guineas that were collected by the former owner when he liked in the UK)

    The coin pictured was believed to have come from the Wabasso beach (interestingly high up in the dunes) from a metal detecting trip in the very late 1960’s / early 1970’s having been found by the owner of the collection.
    Mackaydon and Real of Tayopa like this.

 

 
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Fake or reales?
    By Flmedic245 in forum Spanish Cobs
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: Jun 08, 2017, 10:05 AM
  2. 1650's filippo IV 8 reales, fake or real ??
    By techmaster in forum What Is It?
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: Nov 19, 2016, 06:57 AM
  3. Spanish 8 reales, Real or Fake ?
    By Kevin in IN in forum Coins
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: Oct 23, 2016, 06:32 AM
  4. 8 reales, Piece of Eight real or fake
    By blackdove in forum Spanish Cobs
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: Sep 18, 2014, 03:31 AM
  5. Bought 2 8 reales.....think they are fake
    By Jyorsky in forum Coins
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: Jan 01, 2014, 12:51 PM
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.3.0