Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

Shortfinger

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Ladies ^ gentlemen. You may hae noticed that I suddenly have effectively stopped posting daily, well my main computer had developed a glich and is stell unusable so I am using a very vintage hp lap top, shesh is it slow and lacks most of the add one ports, bear with me .:tongue3::coffee2::coffee2::coffee2:

And here we all thought you were working on the book....

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Real of Tayopa

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am daily through spatial visualization :tongue3: gracias AU, phooey short finger.
 

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SSM,

Perhaps the Trio really are nothing more than a chimera...:thumbsup:

"Crow" is probably some bored housewife from small town Macclesfield in England making-up lovely entertaining stories to keep folks entertained, who specialises in incontinence clothing for the elderly...

"Kanacki" is the nom de guerre of a frustrated fisherman from Sri Lanka who owns a paddling boat and rarely catches anything of value...?

"Hard Luck" is a Japanese manga character created by the visions of a 11 year old who wishes to become chapeler that deals in bespoke headwear...?

Or

They are doing what many of us dream of and are as real as sky...!

:headbang:


"When is a treasure not a treasure"?

Oh what an enigma...

:notworthy:


IPUK

HAHAHAHA good one.:icon_thumright:
 

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Let me change topics a second. About Gold and investments.... Back in the 80's when my brother and I were going out yearly looking for caches I was working in San Antonio and he in El Paso. My boss at the time was the director of Tech Support. He came up to me and said, " You always know the price of gold. Let me know when I should buy some."
I watched the price of gold so I would know how much money we would have if we found one of the ones we were looking for back then. I watched the price go from $420 down to $320 and looked for him. He was out of town for some meeting with customers and I sweated and watched it drop to $280 and Oz.
On that day he came back into the Dept and I went up to him and told him, "What ever you doing, stop and go buy your gold today, right now!"
He left and I didn't see him again for almost 2 weeks, by that time it was back up to $380 and climbing again. I went right up to him and asked, "Did you buy the gold when I told you to?" "Yes I did."
I thought, "thank God!"
I got a really good price on this gold necklace."
I thought he was going to buy Oz.s, not jewelry. LOL Well I tried to make him money, but he missed the chance.

You can lead a horse to water but cannot make him drink.

Mal
 

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Makes me ever more determined to make the next one count...


IPUK

Hello IPUK

I understand were you coming from in that respect. My family business was looking to be part of a consortium bid to export Copper ore from Chile to Dahej in Gujarat India. once a month. Need to increase our fleet by two extra ships crews extra. and skippers etc Plus we are exactly on the other side of globe. We were never really in the running due to logistical problems. A shipping company in Mozambique won out as they import copper ore from the interior and shorter sea journey to India. Winning contracts at home is problematic traveling to another country can be a whole new series of head aches.

It I would imagine be the same for anyone conducting treasure hunting operation abroad?

I understand you determination of making the next one count.

Any type of venture takes preference?

Mal
 

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Hello IPUK

I understand were you coming from in that respect. My family business was looking to be part of a consortium bid to export Copper ore from Chile to Dahej in Gujarat India. once a month. Need to increase our fleet by two extra ships crews extra. and skippers etc Plus we are exactly on the other side of globe. We were never really in the running due to logistical problems. A shipping company in Mozambique won out as they import copper ore from the interior and shorter sea journey to India. Winning contracts at home is problematic traveling to another country can be a whole new series of head aches.

It I would imagine be the same for anyone conducting treasure hunting operation abroad?

I understand you determination of making the next one count.

Any type of venture takes preference?

Mal


Hello SSM,

Trust me, trying to do business in India is enough to give one not only a headache, but send pain down into the parts of the anatomy even Hippocrates didn't know existed...

Indian bureaucracy is an absolute nightmare and it would seem, its sole intention is to prolong even the simplest of tasks to unimaginable lengths. Saying that, since the 1990s, they have attempted to overhaul and reduce the red-tape one encounters but some folk there, simply see putting barriers in your way as a duty.

You ask:

"Any type of venture takes preference?"


I am sure in myself that I have the confidence to "take-on" land based searches and know that my strongest skills lie in organising, preparing and establishing links..., if there is any interest in digging/mining for gold, buying and selling it, searching for some long-lost hoard be it in a jungle, desert or even in a metropolis conurbation, I am willing to take a look-see...:thumbsup:

For me, even though the actual work in searching and finding something is usually a great experience, I am of the thought that it would enhance it greatly if there was an end product. I have had failures and silly mistakes made by not fully considering all angles of projects, but it all adds to the knowledge bank and you can use it for future reference.


IPUK
 

weekender

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Weekender, some times I think you and I might be the same person.
Just raised in slightly different times.

Except, my game was Fooseball!
Folks came from different counties to try to Try to take me and my best partner off the top podium. We were seldom dethroned.

#/;0{>~

ProspectorMikel,

Small world, I got one out the garage now.
Have had for many years, I have taught my 3 sons
the value of foosball also. Good clean fun.
More good memories !! Thanks

-Weekender
 

tintin_treasure

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Hello SSM,

Trust me, trying to do business in India is enough to give one not only a headache, but send pain down into the parts of the anatomy even Hippocrates didn't know existed...

Indian bureaucracy is an absolute nightmare and it would seem, its sole intention is to prolong even the simplest of tasks to unimaginable lengths. Saying that, since the 1990s, they have attempted to overhaul and reduce the red-tape one encounters but some folk there, simply see putting barriers in your way as a duty.

You ask:

"Any type of venture takes preference?"


I am sure in myself that I have the confidence to "take-on" land based searches and know that my strongest skills lie in organising, preparing and establishing links..., if there is any interest in digging/mining for gold, buying and selling it, searching for some long-lost hoard be it in a jungle, desert or even in a metropolis conurbation, I am willing to take a look-see...:thumbsup:

For me, even though the actual work in searching and finding something is usually a great experience, I am of the thought that it would enhance it greatly if there was an end product. I have had failures and silly mistakes made by not fully considering all angles of projects, but it all adds to the knowledge bank and you can use it for future reference.


IPUK

IPUK...I heard that in India if one public service officer tells you " you need to come back next week" or something like that it essentially means you need to provide some "greasing" money..8-)...
TT
 

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hERE YOU ARE HAL


joseph curry tayopa gold of the sun. 2.jpg SunRise.jpg
 

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IPUK...I heard that in India if one public service officer tells you " you need to come back next week" or something like that it essentially means you need to provide some "greasing" money..8-)...
TT


TT,

Government/ civil service jobs are highly prized in India. Families will go through incredible personal and financial hardships to get a member into such positions. Once there, they will ensure that they are 'rewarded' for all the years of toil and pain. It is about making your position 'work' for you. It is accepted by the vast majority and acknowledged that either you provide a little 'gift' or you get stuck.

Many folk I came into contact with promised to 'smooth' things along with local bureaucrats, police and community elders, and it was quite an organised system where everyone has a stake and will protect their role and income. It is only if one is not used to such 'procedures' does it get slightly testing at times.


IPUK
 

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Hello SSM,

Trust me, trying to do business in India is enough to give one not only a headache, but send pain down into the parts of the anatomy even Hippocrates didn't know existed...

Indian bureaucracy is an absolute nightmare and it would seem, its sole intention is to prolong even the simplest of tasks to unimaginable lengths. Saying that, since the 1990s, they have attempted to overhaul and reduce the red-tape one encounters but some folk there, simply see putting barriers in your way as a duty.

You ask:

"Any type of venture takes preference?"


I am sure in myself that I have the confidence to "take-on" land based searches and know that my strongest skills lie in organising, preparing and establishing links..., if there is any interest in digging/mining for gold, buying and selling it, searching for some long-lost hoard be it in a jungle, desert or even in a metropolis conurbation, I am willing to take a look-see...:thumbsup:

For me, even though the actual work in searching and finding something is usually a great experience, I am of the thought that it would enhance it greatly if there was an end product. I have had failures and silly mistakes made by not fully considering all angles of projects, but it all adds to the knowledge bank and you can use it for future reference.


IPUK

So a calculated risk taker who learns from trial and error. Nothing wrong with that as these things always have a element risk. I imagine most treasure hunters works along side these principles except maybe the acceptable risk level varies between individuals. The problem I see that is common thread is Funding such ventures. It must be hard if not impossible to get backers for such projects?

It reminds me a story I was told and plane carrying smuggled 100 mil in diamonds from the Franco regime crashed off an island in the Atlantic. The researcher found out everything about it a verified it to a hilt even found some air craft wreckage in which he worked out the location by eye witness accounts. He even found part of the aircraft wing with serial number on it. The only thing he needed was financial backing, not only in recover the treasure by hired divers, but in dispersal of any treasure.. While most did not have the sort of cash needed for such an operation. They intended to unofficially take the diamonds in the suitcase from the wrecked aircraft He finally found some one interested in the project. It was all already to go and the backer pulled out.

The exasperated researcher asked his backer "why did you pull out of a project with a high probability of success?" The backer replied technically you are removing treasure illegally. While the money cost of the venture is 500 thousand its not the money. As the money was nothing to this backer in question. It was for them the risk of being exposed that threatened much bigger projects he was involved in. He had more to lose than he was to gain. Because he replied that its human nature people will talk and their actions will betray them. For example the divers they employed. Even if paid very well, even with the best intentions some one, either drunk or spending their share on money attracting attention will spill the beans.

And for him relying on too many people to be discreet who was in the know was an unacceptable risk factor in the backing of such a venture.

I think great lesson can be learned from this story.

Perhaps it explains why that trio you mention are as slippery as eels :-)

Mal
 

tintin_treasure

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Of course I am aware of the greasing protocol around the globe...I just was fascinated by the way it is said in India .."come back next week" :)...
But once someone tried to explain to me that according to him there is a difference between bribing someone and greasing someone..but I found that distinction hard to swallow..8-)
TT
 

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tintin_treasure

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So a calculated risk taker who learns from trial and error. Nothing wrong with that as these things always have a element risk. I imagine most treasure hunters works along side these principles except maybe the acceptable risk level varies between individuals. The problem I see that is common thread is Funding such ventures. It must be hard if not impossible to get backers for such projects?

It reminds me a story I was told and plane carrying smuggled 100 mil in diamonds from the Franco regime crashed off an island in the Atlantic. The researcher found out everything about it a verified it to a hilt even found some air craft wreckage in which he worked out the location by eye witness accounts. He even found part of the aircraft wing with serial number on it. The only thing he needed was financial backing, not only in recover the treasure by hired divers, but in dispersal of any treasure.. While most did not have the sort of cash needed for such an operation. They intended to unofficially take the diamonds in the suitcase from the wrecked aircraft He finally found some one interested in the project. It was all already to go and the backer pulled out.

The exasperated researcher asked his backer "why did you pull out of a project with a high probability of success?" The backer replied technically you are removing treasure illegally. While the money cost of the venture is 500 thousand its not the money. As the money was nothing to this backer in question. It was for them the risk of being exposed that threatened much bigger projects he was involved in. He had more to lose than he was to gain. Because he replied that its human nature people will talk and their actions will betray them. For example the divers they employed. Even if paid very well, even with the best intentions some one, either drunk or spending their share on money attracting attention will spill the beans.

And for him relying on too many people to be discreet who was in the know was an unacceptable risk factor in the backing of such a venture.

I think great lesson can be learned from this story.

Perhaps it explains why that trio you mention are as slippery as eels :-)

Mal

Dont be sure always about that Mal...so called backers could also sit behind the curtains like a Dr No...you only see their money not their face..
TT
 

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