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    The Treasures of Tayopa

    The Treasures of Tayopa
    Sonora, Mexico - Value $100 Million

    Four bells inscribed TAYOPA. ?Weight 727 lbs.

    One bell inscribed REMEDIOS. Weight 285 lbs.

    One bell inscribed PIEDAD. ?Weight 125 ?lbs.

    These bells were cast in 1603 by the Right Rverend Father Ignacio Maria de Retana.

    One silver cross with gold crucifix. ?Weight 40 lbs.

    Pair of candlesticks and six bars of silver. Weight 113 lbs.

    Four incensories of gold and silver. Weight 28 lbs.

    One large custody with silver bracket. ?Weight 25 lbs.

    Two silver chalices and twelve gold communion plates.

    One shrine with four silver columns. Weight 100 lbs.

    Sixty-five cargas of silver. ?Weight 14,000 lbs.

    Eleven cargas of gold. Weight 2475 lbs.

    Casilla ore. ?Weight 4575 lbs.

    First-class Castilla ore with a known assay of 22 carats, clean and without mercury. ?Weight 1625 lbs.

    In a cut stone box are stored jewels. ?The box is buried in the basement of a room built of stone and mud between the church and the side of the convent and fruit garden."

    "A true and positive description of the mining camp Real of our Lady of Guadelupe of Tayopa, made in January 1646 by the Right Reverend Father Guardian Fray, Fransisco Villegas y Orosco, Royal Vicar-General of the Royal and Distinguished Jesuit Order of St. Ignacio of Tayopa, and Jesuit of the Great Faculty of Sonora and Biscalla, whom may God keep long years.

    Ever since Fransisco Vasquez de Coronado wrote the Spanish Viceroy Mendoza in 1538: "the natives of Topira (the name given to Tayopa in the early annals) wear gold and emeralds and other precious stones. ?They make general use of gold and silver with which they cover their houses. ?The leaders wear finely worked gold chains around their necks" ?treasure hunters have searched for the metals of the Sun and the Moon deep within the innermost recesses of the Sierra Madres of Northern Mexico. ?For nearly three hundred and fifty years its location, and that of the treasure vault have remained unknown.

    ?Expeditions into the"Mother Mountains" (74k) ?have to contend with desert, jungle, and mountainous terrain: temperatures which range from 100 degrees F during the day, to 10 below zero C at night; black panthers and jaguars prowling around the camp; scorpions, tarantulas, rattlesnakes, and coral snakes; and the most dangerous of them all, narcotraficantes... drug runners. ?All in all, the ideal locale for a buried treasure. ?But what is the background storty to this remarkable quest?

    ?The legendary Lost Mines of Tayopa are probably familiar to all treasure hunters who've read J. Frank Dodie's Apache Gold and Yaqui Silver. ?The book is a treasure chest of folklore and traditions, from the American Southwest and Mexico, pertaining to buried treasures and lost gold mines.

    Many of the mythical gold mines were relocated by American and British mining companies, in the heady years between 1890 and 1910. ?Their success was eventually curtailed by Panch Villa and the Mexican Revolution.

    Tayopa however, refused to be drawn into the light of mortal man's gaze, and remains hidden to this day. ?The treasure was amassed between the years 1632 and 1646 by the Jesuit padres operating the mining Real and mission of Tayopa. ?Two sister settlements, Guaynopa and Guaynopita, were in close proximity. ?All three were razed to the ground by Pima and Opata indians during the spring of 1646 as part of a general uprising which engulfed much of northern New Spain.

    The reason why so much gold and silver bullion was present at the missions was because the Jesuits were in league with Spain's arch enemies, the Dutch, to take over large areas of the Spanish Empire in the East Indies, Central and South America. ?The plot failed and the Jesuits were eventually expelled from all Spanish dominions in 1767.

    Tayopa was located in a very inhospitable and isolated area of New Spain and had very little contact with the outside world for much of the year; only four people were encountered during the four months that were spent on the trail! ?Neither Jesuit mysticism nor Spanish bayonets could penetrate the veil of silence which was drawn over Tayopa's location and it has remained lost for three and a half centuries.

    Such is not the case with the other two missions.

    ?According to Adrian Westwood, "we have relocated the missions of Guaynopa (99k)and Guaynopita, the Indian cliff ruins ?(88k) where the survivors of the initial Indian attack made their last stand, and numerous other blockhouses protecting the canyon approaches and dam walls. ?Several arrasytres, or Spanish ore crushers have also been found. ?Tayopa, the third point of the "Golden Rectange" is nearby.

    During the three previous expeditions I have been able to cover a vast area of the Guaynopa canyon and its environs, tracking down landmarks, and following up Indian legends and 19th century mining reports.

    When not in the field, we have continued the research through libraries, archives, and museums in Spain, Mexico, and the U.S.A. ?Many leads have been blind alleys, but every so often, a valuable clue has dropped into place. ?One such clue turned up in October of 1994, and I believe it will lead me straight to the treasure vault when the expedition sets out in April of 1995... if my interpretation is correct.

    Many have searched for Tayopa, many have died for it, and all believed that they knew where it was. ?Such is the lure of treasure hunting.

    Parts reprinted from "Jesuit Gold A Treasure Hunters Guide to Tayopa" ?by Adrian Westwood.
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    Cptbil

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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    ? One! Question ?
    How come on the Map of the Mission and Mine, in the Archives , Seville Spain, The Name is spelled differently (Of Course! Dobie's spelling is also wrong) then all of the above "Postings" and spellings!
    CptBil & Bugs

  3. #3

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    I recently acquired some very old Gold Magazines the ones Trues west used to put out yearly. There is a great story written by Milton F. Rose. He found the Tayopa at one time. Removed a bunch of stuff including the documents found in the alter. He offered to spilt it with he Church but the good father said they had no need to split a treasure that already belonged to the order. They would find it in time. The same man went one to remove part of the Tucmitori (forgive the spelling) treasure.
    It's a good read. Bill I will give you a copy when I see you next week.

    ColoradoMike

    It's a good Life!

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    Cptbil

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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    How come no one has come up with the correct spelling of this MINE?
    As you know!!!
    Tayopa, Tayopah, or ...
    Isn't it!
    Heck!
    If you want to know where it is...
    No! Big Deal!
    Don Fingato took photos of the Mine, that he located, in No. Mexico, ('bout 90 miles south of the Border. In a North/south running valley) from a map, that he located in Seville..
    By using the CORRECT SPELLING!
    Just because "Dobie" couldn't spell, 8) why continue to use his incorrect spelling?
    CptBil & Bugs

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    mx
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    Fingado's Map had the Official Archive's Stamp and Seal on the back of the Map, that I saw!

    (A) I have no doubt that it is a genuine map,? but,? I do doubt that it is of THE Tayopa.? All mines were required to have accurate maps to them in the Indies, including the other versions of Tayopa -? Teopari, Topia, Soyopa, Teopa, Toapa, Topia,? and on for tax purposes.? You must remember? by 1767 they were operatng many mines in this district, from Guyanopa south almost to Alamos, and from East to West for some 50 miles.? Any one of them can legitimately be called the mines of Tayopa.? This is one of the reasons for such confusion.


    AND! Fingado himself told me..that anyone who can't spell the name correctly hasn't done his(the) research!

    (A)? This actually? applies to Fingado himself, and to those who follow his words. HE hadn't done HIS research thoroughly. HE is relying upon a single document for the correct name, whereas I used multiple ones.

    As you might know, He was deeply involved in drug RUNNING!
    He was wanted by the Mexican authorities!

    (A)? This is curious, since I was in the Border Patrol for a bit.? ?I know that? narcotic? runners? on one side of the Border are also wanted on the other ?They are violating? the law on both sides.?

    He died last year !

    (A) Yes Henry told me this.

    Do you know, there an American General, who was chasing Poncho Villa, was told by his Mexican Guide that the General was camped, "Close enough to hear the Bells of T......!"

    (A)? By 1917 there was nothing left of the church of Tayopa, hence no bells were hung to ring. So the guide must have been referring to a village wth a similar name.? The Church was destroyed by the revolting Guayajiro Indians in 1630-40? (your choice of a date) so the Jesuits never found Tayopa when they returned.? They did work the surrounding area unitl 1767.

    em me the results of your search on the mission.
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  6. #6
    mx
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealdeTayopa
    Fingado's Map had the Official Archive's Stamp and Seal on the back of the Map, that I saw!

    (A) I have no doubt that it is a genuine map,? but,? I do doubt that it is of THE Tayopa.? All mines were required to have accurate maps to them in the Indies, including the other versions of Tayopa -? Teopari, Topia, Soyopa, Teopa, Toapa, Topia,? and on for tax purposes.? You must remember? by 1767 they were operatng many mines in this district, from Guyanopa south almost to Alamos, and from East to West for some 50 miles.? Any one of them can? legitimately be called the mines of Tayopa.? This is one of the reasons for such confusion.


    AND! Fingado himself told me..that anyone who can't spell the name correctly hasn't done his(the) research!

    (A)? This actually? applies to Fingado himself, and to those who follow his words. HE hadn't done HIS research thoroughly. HE is relying upon a single document for the correct name, whereas I used multiple ones.

    As you might know, He was deeply involved in drug RUNNING!
    He was wanted by the Mexican authorities!

    (A)? This is curious, since I was in the Border Patrol for a bit.? ?I know that? narcotic? runners? on one side of the Border are also wanted on the other ?They are violating? the law on both sides.?

    He died last year !

    (A) Yes Henry told me this.

    Do you know, there an American General, who was chasing Poncho Villa, was told by his Mexican Guide that the General was camped, "Close enough to hear the Bells of T......!"

    (A)? By 1917 there was nothing left of the church of Tayopa, hence no bells were hung to ring. So the guide must have been referring to a village wth a similar name.? The Church was destroyed by the revolting Guayajiro Indians in 1630-40? (your choice of a date) so the Jesuits never found Tayopa when they returned.? They did work the surrounding area unitl 1767.

    em me the results of your search on the mission.



    P.S. Hey Captbill. gals guys, just because I am in disagreement with you on the spelling and location of TAYOPA doesn't mean that I think that you are nuts heheh, on the contrary my friend I have great repect for you and your accumulated knowledge on treasures. Someday we have to get together on a big one, OK?
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  7. #7
    mx
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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    HOLA BIL & Other seekers of one of theTayopa mines. This conversaton has just begun, yet everyone is sooo quiet?

    For one thing, I wish to ask all of you, so you have just found one of the Tayopas, or another fabulous lost mine---


    ~~~~~~~~~~"NOW WHAT? NEXT STEP"?~~~~~~~~~~~
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  8. #8
    us
    Dec 2004
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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    wow RT you are the man!
    All animals are equal, but some are more equal then others. -George Orwell

  9. #9
    Paperback Writer

    Nov 2004
    Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    Realde, the rock map is soooo cool; have you decoded it yet?
    "When you're up to your ass in alligtors, it's hard to remember that your main objective is to drain the swamp."

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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    I don't know how I missed these posts - but I have set the "Notify Me" function. :P

    Fascinating posts!

    I CAN'T WAIT FOR UPDATES!
    Real of Tayopa likes this.

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    Cptbild

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    AND!
    Still no one is spelling the name correctly !
    How can anyone expect to find what they can't spell!
    Cptbild & Bugs

  12. #12

    Nov 2005
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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    Does anyone know how to contact Adrian Westwood? He was kind enough to send a lengthy reply to me several years ago regarding several Tayopa questions, and I'd like to catch up and learn about his more recent Tayopa searches and activities.

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    mx
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    Does anyone know how to contact Adrian Westwood?? He was kind enough to send a lengthy reply to me several years ago regarding several Tayopa questions, and I'd like to catch up and learn about his more recent Tayopa searches and activities.


    Q) 'did you grt my em asnwer bandit?

    Jose de La Mancha ( I tilt windmills ) & Shibboleths

    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  14. #14

    Nov 2005
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    Hey Jose. Received several pieces of information regarding Tayopa from you. Thanks very much. My understanding is that no one currently knows how to contact Adrian. I tried to Google his name but the latest data is two years old and the e-mail address shown is no longer operative. Did you get my e-mail message regarding the Guayajiro Indians and the value of Adrian's Jesuit Gold?

    I also downloaded Google Earth but was unable to get a clear picture of possible site(s). I guess I need the upgraded version or a better graphics card.

    Thanks again for your help. Any luck in deciphering the signs you showed in your earlier posting? Did you find them near your Tayopa site?

  15. #15
    mx
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    Re: The Treasures of Tayopa

    HOLA:

    Here is part of the country that i am referring, to.? see post # 12.

    Till Eulenspeigle - Jose de La Mancha
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

 

 
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