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    Re: True Spelling

    Greetings Ed - I think you have a good chance of finding something great! I am firmly convinced that the Topira described to Coronado is NOT one and the same with Tayopa, even though some modern historians seem to want to lump them into one. There is no "R" in Tayopa nor in many of the variant spellings of Taiope, Tiyopah, Teopa etc and we know that Topira had differences in description that would not support it being Tayohpa. This is one point on which I do not know where our mutual (and highly successful treasure hunting buddy) friend Jose' (Real de Tayopa) stands, but I would be surprised if he is not in agreement with you as well.

    I wish that I could accompany you in your search Ed, but wishing and doing are two different things so I will wish you the very best of luck - even though we both know that luck is only a part of the equation, a greater part is hard work, research, and field explorations. Good luck and good hunting to you Ed and to everyone here, I hope you all find the treasures that you seek.

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

    your friend,
    Roy ~ Oroblanco
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    Re: True Spelling

    as crazy as it may sound i could still be on the right path ....if i rise questions then i am not dead yet !
    " have i lost my way ? or am i just a being of lost ways ? "

    " a wiseman once told me a wiseman that thinks he knows everything has already failed  because he thinks "

    the blindbowman ,2007

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    Re: True Spelling

    Greetings Blindbowman,

    Blindbowman wrote:
    as crazy as it may sound i could still be on the right path ....if i rise questions then i am not dead yet !
    As you know all too well - there are plenty of folks out there who think that ANYONE (including ALL of us here) who would go out in search of lost treasures is indeed "on the wrong path!" and NUTS to boot! I only wish that I could take some of these 'skeptics' out on a real treasure hunt, and see if they still hold to their opinions! (heh heh ) Don't get the idea that because we might disagree on some theoretical points, that I want to discourage you - just the opposite, I hope you will convince me that your theories are right! I would love nothing more than to see our history books get some long-needed revisions, and NOT the "politically-correct" BS white-wash jobs that are being done either. I say we ought to give credit where credit is due, including to some long-deserved but utterly ignored people of our past.

    In every culture everywhere and all throughout history, there are those who will "push the boundaries" and seek to find what is beyond the horizon. To those who are comfortable in their assumptions, such a seeker must be crazy or a dolt etc but remember it is those same seekers/dreamers who make pretty much ALL of the discoveries.

    Good luck to you Blindbowman, I look forward to your progress and hope you will succeed. Remember that even at worst, should your theories prove incorrect, you will find the truth and have the experiences of a lifetime to remember - something that those who never go treasure hunting will never experience.

    your friend,
    Roy ~ Oroblanco
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    Dear OroBlanco;
    Your post brings up some very interesting points, my friend. First, let's examine in detail the supposed relationship between the Jesuit order and mining in the New World. It's well known that the Jesuits were not permitted to operate mines. But WHY One could assume that being a holy order, the Jesuits would be ideal candidates to oversee the royal mining operations in the New World. So why then, weren't the Jesuits permitted to mine for precious metals?
    No royal edit has yet been discovered stating the Jesuit brotherhood was not permitted to operate mines. This edit in fact comes from the Jesuits themselves. They were not, nor still, permitted to engage in any commercial venture that is profit motivated or is at odds with their Christian beliefs. Period. The King of Spain had nothing to do with it. THIS is a FACT. This is written and it is a part of the historical record. Accept it for it is. It did happen.
    Why then were the Jesuits expelled from the New World? Politics and the status quo, nothing more than this, my friends. First, the numbers of the Jesuit order began shrinking in the mid 1600s, due to in no small part to the Renasence which was occurring all over Europe. Unlike the other monastetic orders in place at the time, the Jesuits embraced the new theory of science, which was seen as sorcerery by practically all of the ancient European world. Only the Jesuits sought to answer previously unanswerable questions through the use of scientific methods. This put the order at odds with the rest of the Roman Catholic world and they were soon branded by rumors as heretics and sorcerers. In fact, one only has to look at the garb of a Jesuit monks during the 1500s and 1600s and look at a modern caricature of a witch to immediately see the remarkable similiarites between the two. This is no accident. The witches' costume is based upon the Jesuits' style of dress in the 1500s, because the Jesuits embraces science as a path to God and understanding. One does not need to travel far in order to see the impact which the Jesuit order has made of the scientific community. If one has an interest in astronomy, then all one needs to do is to visit the celestial telescope in Arizona. Here you will find one of the largest refractive telescopes in the world, maintained by Jesuit astronomers. Yes, the astronomers are Jesuit monks. One may find Jesuit monks, along with Jesuits funded scientific studies, all over the world. Or take a visit to Boston College. This is a Jesuit funded and operated university and it's well known everywhere on the planet. This IS a fact. You don't need to believe me, you can prove it to yourselves with your own eyes.
    The Spanish royality, always extremely slow in matters of a religious nature, sought to replace the Jesuit order , not ONLY in the New World, but in ALL Spanish possessions and territories, with members of the much more traditional and staid Francisian order. It had absolutely NOTHING to do mines or mining in the New World. I dare anyone to produce a single scrap of paper with a royal edit proclaiming the Jesuit order was expelled from the New World due to mining. It just didn't happen.
    During the time the Renascence was taking place in Europe, Spain was going through it's darkest time in it's history, the Spanish Inquistion. The King of Spain did NOT wish to be accused of consorting with heretics, therefore he washed his hands of the Jesuit order and proclaimed the Francisians as his right hand in matters of an eccelestical nature. I can only imagine the Jesuits came very close to being accused and tried for herecy against the Church, and even though nobody was brave, or foolhardy, enough to publicly accuse them, in backrooms and in the hallways of power they were considered to be sorcerers and heretics.
    The Spanish Inquision, started around 1483 By King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, with the original intentions of removing the last Moorish Muslims and Jews from Spain. At the head of the Inquision was Tomas de Torquemada, a Dominican, who not only wished to expel all Muslims and Jews, but extended the power of the Inquision to encompass all subjects under Spanish rule. The Dominicans, most generally at odds with the Jesuits, are among the most traditional of the Roman Catholic monastetic Holy orders, and as such they often times found themselves at odds with the Jesuit order. It has been sumised that Torquemada and a few of his successors, wished to put various members of the Jesuit order on trial through the Inquision, however they feared for their own safety as the Jesuits were very powerful and influential members of the Tribunal in Rome, and the Inquistors did not desire to rock the boat of power and influence, lest they themselves be accused of the same heresies.
    The Inquision, oddly enough started before the Jesuit order even came into existence. It's founder, Saint Ignatius of Loyola, was a Basque knight before embarking on a life of servitude to the Roman Catholic church, and he found immediate favor in the Spanish royal houses, in no small part because he was of Spanish origin.
    It's interesting to note how the Jesuits are often portrayed as wearing pointed hats and black robes and it seems to be taken for granted that this was the dress of the Jesuit order during the colonization of the Americas, however there has NEVER been an official dress in the Jesuit order, even to this very day. Jesuits have always been, as they still are, free to dress however they choose to. In the Americas, the Indians took to calling them the black robes because a large majority of Jesuits took to wearing black robes, even though this particular form of habit was never recognized as the official habit of the order. Very few Jesuits actually wore the pointed hat which many seem to think all Jesuits wore.
    This is why the Jesuit order was expelled from the New World. it had nothing to do with the operation and exploitation of minerals. It had everything to do with politics and internal power struggles. Granted, politics is very boring and it does not make for exciting reading, so it seems that people who rather use their very vivid imaginations and surmise their own reasons why the Jesuit order was removed from the New World.
    Your friend;
    LAMAR

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    Re: True Spelling

    Hey Lamar,

    Good history all, but there is so much more that was left out that won't even start to go into here. It is enough to fill several books. For a good look at what the Jesuits said versus what they actually did, please read through this thread at the History Hunters Forums:

    http://historyhuntersinternational.o...p?topic=2321.0

    Also, the Jesuit Order administered and taught the mining schools in the New World. At the time, most of the Jesuits were German, and experts in geology, physics, mathematics, and mine engineering.

    There was an agreement between the Jesuit Order and the King of Spain that, as of 1697, the Jesuits had free reign over Pimeria Alta. All their converts were not obliged to work for the Spaniards (as was the case otherwise). This agreement was to last for twenty years. For the Jesuits' part, they were not allowed to engage in ANY money making activities. They actually did break the rules in several respects. In the History Hunters Thread, you will find historical quotes regarding objects and icons in many Missions in Sonora made of silver (including a VERY large bannister (railing) made of pure silver.

    If you believe that the Jesuits were completely honest in all their dealings, you may want to read up some on the subject of the "Gunpowder Plot of 1605".

    I have corresponded with one of the Archive Secretaries of the Order of Jesus for a few years. I have broached the subject of Jesuit Mining Enterprises several times. I have been stonewalled often, but occasionally things slip. I asked him that if the Jesuits had mines, they would have had to send maps to the order in Rome or Mexico City. Instead of telling me "no such maps exist" or "the Jesuits didn't operate mines", I was told "The maps you asked about are not in this archive." That answer says a LOT.

    Best-Mike
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  6. #36

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    Re: True Spelling

    Gentlemen,

    You are testing the wrong man in Lamar. He is, pretty much, correct. I knew that his answer to Oro would not be long in coming or short on historical facts.

    I have been saying for years.....that history is changed one word at a time. Where Jesuit mining is concerned, it's one book at a time. Lamar knows his history, but he won't find much of an audience here.
    Hopefully he will stick around long enough to educate us all.

    It would seem that Lamar and I are on the same page, I just wasn't fortunate enough to arrive there by the same road he took. IMHO, he is on the money.

    Take care,

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptbild
    I guess that everyone knows that out in the Southwest due to the Sp/Mexican influence,
    Words are spelled one way and prononced another way!
    As it is in most countries!
    In The SW ....
    Words with "LL" are pronounced , w/o The "LL" portion of the word ..
    It's silent !
    As The "LLano River" in Texas .. it's pronounced, "Ano"
    OR!
    "The Caballo Mnts" in New Mexico " "ka by oo" or, "ka vie oo"
    Js & Gs are prononced with an "H" sound
    The Az. Town of "AJO" for instance:
    Is prononuced "ah ho", NOT! "AH JOE" !
    Or
    The Gila Monster (a large poisonous lizard) Is, "He La", not, "Gee la" !

    What the early TH'er writers did , was to spell the Name of this Famous Mine/mission

    Like it sounded !
    Tay O pah
    Not as it is written.....
    OR!
    AS it is Pronouced by the Native speaking peoples!

    Teopa

    Break out your Mexico Topographic Maps and you'll find the Word ...
    One is a modern Day Peak, one is a Spanish mission etc....


    the llano river is pronounced just like its spelt.i've found artifacts on the llano river.i've never heard it called the ano river,lol.not saying your wrong on the most part.

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    Re: True Spelling

    Oro,

    Your long post was very interesting. Did you ever consider the possibility that civilization and the pyramids went from South America to Europe and not the other way around?

    Have a nice Thanksgiving,

    Joe

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    i hate this **** this early in the morning , " i agree with CJ ...

    lol


    we can debeat any one or anything if it gets us close ,but i am already standing on a few discoveries that need to be clearived frist .. you guys fight out this jesuit thing . get it out of your systems and lt deguss some realistic simbolics or fact or even possable dirrections ...the jesuits as well as the templar were for the most part closed orders .and the templar were out right masters of secrecy ... so anything found to connect ether of these groups to any part of these legend well be breadcrumbs at best ...

    i am not saying the values in my theories could not change with the comeing of evidence found . but i was studing the Aztec and the posable sites i have located . they real sites not posable site . its hard to beleive things change with the passing of time but they do and we have to work twice as hard to find any evidence at now ...

    lamar is good at what larmar is good at . under stand what he says and they draw of it what you may ...but for god sake dont start all the attacting the new guy **** that stuff gets old quick.. so set back thank god for what we have and say welcome to or new friend larmar and lets have a great day ..


    who knows what tomorrow brings , what treasure lay just into our futures .. give a little recieve a little ...


    you guys all have a great day ...i hope i well ...
    " have i lost my way ? or am i just a being of lost ways ? "

    " a wiseman once told me a wiseman that thinks he knows everything has already failed  because he thinks "

    the blindbowman ,2007

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    Dear group;
    Let's take an example of how a theory breaks down when exposed to the light of factual evidence. let's take a single statement and place in under heavy scrutiny for all to see.

    "Then there is the case of the missing billions (yes BILLIONS) of pounds of copper, mined in the Great Lakes region during the same time period, by some mysterious people and nowhere to be found in the Americas - yet there is a tremendous supply of copper to make bronze in the Old World during the same time period, when there is no such supply known during their time in the Old World. Coincidence?"

    First, how do we KNOW that billions of copper are in fact missing? Did someone inventory the native copper, then when they returned a few years later noticed that a billion pounds of the stuff were missing? I can imagine that the thought process went something like this: "Hmmmm, now where IS all of that native copper that was lying around here There was a few billion pounds of the stuff that we were going to use to make something special for the chiefs' wedding. I guess I should report this to the front office."

    Sure, I'll bet that it happened in just that manner. First, copper is not native to the Great Lakes region, iron is. But, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that there actually was several billion pounds of readly accessible and mineable native copper in the region. Has anyone ever seen what 1 BILLION pounds of copper looks like I've seen a few tons of it before and that was a LOT of copper. I can just imagine how big of a mountain that one B-I-L-L-I-O-N pounds of native copper looks like. That would a HUGE mountain of copper.

    OK, so now we have our 1 billion pounds of copper lying in the ground, just waiting to be mined by some industrialistic natives. To mine 1 billion pounds of native would have taken an EXTRAORDINARY amount of labor. The manpower requirements for exploiting 1 billion pounds of native copper would be mind boggling by todays' standards, to say nothing of the fact that everything had to be extracted from the earth by hand, using only the crudest sort of tools. It would have required hundreds of thousands of men, working round the clock for generations merely to extract 1,000,000 pounds of native copper ore, to say nothing of the processing part.

    So where did the miners live while they were mining this ore? You can't mine copper of this magnitude without there being a trace of the people who mined the ore. The process would have required cities of men and women, complete with a supporting logistics system, in order to accomplish an undertaking of this size. Nobody can tell me that the miners homes disappeared from the earth without a trace as something on a scale this large cannot just up and disappear.

    So what happened to the ore after it was wrenched from the earth? Was it shipped to Europe or to other points, henceforth unknown? In order to transship 1 billion pounds of processed copper ore, it would have required tens of thousands of ships, each displacing around 50 tons and each sailing back and forth non-stop for generations in order to move the 1 billion pounds of copper ore. Again, you cannot possibly hide the residue from a 10,000 ship fleet, no matter how hard you tried. Surely there would be SOME evidence of this massive fleet, as evidenced by waste, trash, lost items and shipwrecks. It's simply impossible to think about.

    Now, this is logical deduction breaking apart the statement that billions of copper were somehow displaced by person, or persons, unknown and has yet to be found. Now we can proceed to further tear apart this rather ridiculous statement through the use of scientific deduction. How can science help us to determine the validity or falseness of the statement in question?

    By the simple use of metallurgy, that's how. A good metallurgist, working in a lab, can not only tell from region the ore from a particular metallic artifact was mined at, they can also tell us the approximate age of the artifact, by the particular process which was utilized to smelt and shape the piece. First, the scientist examines the modecular structure of the artifact. This is known as the *lattice* or the matrix. From this lattice the scientist can determine the base metal, the alloying agents used, the trace minerals and the processes used to shape and form the artifact. From all of this data the scientist can pinpoint the region the ore in the artifact came from. From the alloying agents and the modecular spacing of the lattice the scientist can deduce the time frame the artifact was manufactured in and also the region in which the artifact was produced.

    I can state with some authority that NO copper or bronze artifact has yet been discovered in either Europe, Asia or Africa which has shown to have been manufactured using ores or alloys mined from the Great Lakes region of the USA. Again, using logic and science together, one can assume that 1 billion of native copper ore would an untold amount of artifacts. The artifacts would be virtually EVERYWHERE. They would be turning up in every spot on the planet. This is how much that 1 billion pounds of copper equals. With one billion pounds of mined native copper ore the planet would have no need to mine any more copper, right up till today. As yet, there has no been even close to one billion pounds of native copper mined on the entire planet.

    On the surfacr, such a statement might seem to have some basis of fact, but once examined from all sides and all of the logical questions have been asked, it crumbles into dust. To drive home the point further still, scientific process can be incorporated to completely rip to shreds the statement that billions of pounds of native copper were mined in the Great Lakes region of the USA, then simply disappeared to parts unknown, by persons unknown. It just didn't happen.
    Your friend;
    LAMAR



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    Re: True Spelling

    Lamar knows his history, but he won't find much of an audience here.
    With all due respect Joe, I don't believe that's true. I think there are a number of people here who are open to every possibility and are always eager to add to their knowledge base.

    I for one hope Lamar sticks around.
    "There is no getting away from a treasure that once fastens upon your mind" - Joseph Conrad (Nostromo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamar
    Dear group;
    Let's take an example of how a theory breaks down when exposed to the light of factual evidence. let's take a single statement and place in under heavy scrutiny for all to see.

    "Then there is the case of the missing billions (yes BILLIONS) of pounds of copper, mined in the Great Lakes region during the same time period, by some mysterious people and nowhere to be found in the Americas - yet there is a tremendous supply of copper to make bronze in the Old World during the same time period, when there is no such supply known during their time in the Old World. Coincidence?"

    First, how do we KNOW that billions of copper are in fact missing? Did someone inventory the native copper, then when they returned a few years later noticed that a billion pounds of the stuff were missing? I can imagine that the thought process went something like this: "Hmmmm, now where IS all of that native copper that was lying around here There was a few billion pounds of the stuff that we were going to use to make something special for the chiefs' wedding. I guess I should report this to the front office."

    Sure, I'll bet that it happened in just that manner. First, copper is not native to the Great Lakes region, iron is. But, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that there actually was several billion pounds of readly accessible and mineable native copper in the region. Has anyone ever seen what 1 BILLION pounds of copper looks like I've seen a few tons of it before and that was a LOT of copper. I can just imagine how big of a mountain that one B-I-L-L-I-O-N pounds of native copper looks like. That would a HUGE mountain of copper.

    OK, so now we have our 1 billion pounds of copper lying in the ground, just waiting to be mined by some industrialistic natives. To mine 1 billion pounds of native would have taken an EXTRAORDINARY amount of labor. The manpower requirements for exploiting 1 billion pounds of native copper would be mind boggling by todays' standards, to say nothing of the fact that everything had to be extracted from the earth by hand, using only the crudest sort of tools. It would have required hundreds of thousands of men, working round the clock for generations merely to extract 1,000,000 pounds of native copper ore, to say nothing of the processing part.

    So where did the miners live while they were mining this ore? You can't mine copper of this magnitude without there being a trace of the people who mined the ore. The process would have required cities of men and women, complete with a supporting logistics system, in order to accomplish an undertaking of this size. Nobody can tell me that the miners homes disappeared from the earth without a trace as something on a scale this large cannot just up and disappear.

    So what happened to the ore after it was wrenched from the earth? Was it shipped to Europe or to other points, henceforth unknown? In order to transship 1 billion pounds of processed copper ore, it would have required tens of thousands of ships, each displacing around 50 tons and each sailing back and forth non-stop for generations in order to move the 1 billion pounds of copper ore. Again, you cannot possibly hide the residue from a 10,000 ship fleet, no matter how hard you tried. Surely there would be SOME evidence of this massive fleet, as evidenced by waste, trash, lost items and shipwrecks. It's simply impossible to think about.

    Now, this is logical deduction breaking apart the statement that billions of copper were somehow displaced by person, or persons, unknown and has yet to be found. Now we can proceed to further tear apart this rather ridiculous statement through the use of scientific deduction. How can science help us to determine the validity or falseness of the statement in question?

    By the simple use of metallurgy, that's how. A good metallurgist, working in a lab, can not only tell from region the ore from a particular metallic artifact was mined at, they can also tell us the approximate age of the artifact, by the particular process which was utilized to smelt and shape the piece. First, the scientist examines the modecular structure of the artifact. This is known as the *lattice* or the matrix. From this lattice the scientist can determine the base metal, the alloying agents used, the trace minerals and the processes used to shape and form the artifact. From all of this data the scientist can pinpoint the region the ore in the artifact came from. From the alloying agents and the modecular spacing of the lattice the scientist can deduce the time frame the artifact was manufactured in and also the region in which the artifact was produced.

    I can state with some authority that NO copper or bronze artifact has yet been discovered in either Europe, Asia or Africa which has shown to have been manufactured using ores or alloys mined from the Great Lakes region of the USA. Again, using logic and science together, one can assume that 1 billion of native copper ore would an untold amount of artifacts. The artifacts would be virtually EVERYWHERE. They would be turning up in every spot on the planet. This is how much that 1 billion pounds of copper equals. With one billion pounds of mined native copper ore the planet would have no need to mine any more copper, right up till today. As yet, there has no been even close to one billion pounds of native copper mined on the entire planet.

    On the surfacr, such a statement might seem to have some basis of fact, but once examined from all sides and all of the logical questions have been asked, it crumbles into dust. To drive home the point further still, scientific process can be incorporated to completely rip to shreds the statement that billions of pounds of native copper were mined in the Great Lakes region of the USA, then simply disappeared to parts unknown, by persons unknown. It just didn't happen.
    Your friend;
    LAMAR


    igot to agree with you an that Lamar . i live in northern new york and my families have lived here from the 1649 coppers falls settement ..the mohawk had little copper before the whites came to this came to the area and they had little use for it after ... pig iron axes and hand tools were traded to them they were not farmers and they were gathers .and hunters ..... that is a out right fact , i have worked indain sites in this area for well over 35 years and my father was a historain and my great grand mother was a full blooded mohawk chiff's daughter . i spent many nights falling asleep watching them dance out the car window as my father would go there weekly .

    i dont remember ever seeing them wear any metal at all , most things were made by hand and feather as they say ....


    " have i lost my way ? or am i just a being of lost ways ? "

    " a wiseman once told me a wiseman that thinks he knows everything has already failed  because he thinks "

    the blindbowman ,2007

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    Re: True Spelling

    Dear group;
    I'd like to thank everyone for their support and I also wish to state that I do NOT wish for anyone to stop searching!!! Heaven forbid, if we quit searching for the truth then we will become as cattle or sheep. What I do wish to see is for people to stop chasing rumors and myths and to start searching for something real. Something tangible. An ancient native American village can and will provide the explorer with a virtual lifetime of awe and wonder. Imagine gazing upon the artifacts and belongings of a people 1,000 or more years removed from our planet. With every artifact uncovered and cataloged we come that much closer to our collective past. Not at all treasure is silver and gold. Sometimes, the greatest treasures we may ever discover is the one which is locked away in our hearts.
    Your friend;
    LAMAR

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    Re: True Spelling

    First, copper is not native to the Great Lakes region
    Lamar - This statement you made struck me. I grew up in Michigan and Wisconsin and although I'm not a scholar on the geology of the Great Lakes region, I believe you are incorrect in this assessment. Copper is indeed native to that region of the country and has been both mined and used for many many years.

    I can provide links to information as such if you would like, but it truly is a fact that copper is indeed native to that area and in fairly large quantities (whether billions of pounds I don't know).

    Respectfully
    "There is no getting away from a treasure that once fastens upon your mind" - Joseph Conrad (Nostromo)

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    Dear Cubfan64;
    Copper sulfides and hydroxides can be found throughout the Great Lakes region but actual copper is not as plentiful there as other regions. Iron is king where you are from my friend. I know of some spots in Upper Michigan and Wisconsin where you can sled down the iron slag piles. Copper has never been mined in the Great Lakes regions in great abundance, not so much because it's not plentiful, but because it's difficult to get to and the area is mostly unsuited for open pit mining operations, unlike the Arizona region. In the future the Great Lakes may see more native copper mined if copper prices keep rising. ho knows?
    Your friend;
    LAMAR

 

 
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