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  1. #181

    Nov 2007
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Hi all
    I took some more pictures using the infrared filter. I am sorry to say I do not believe the halo I was seeing, is an aura coming from the mineral deposit. I have noticed a bright area in the center of each picture I took, but never thought too much about it until, Tim ask me to take one with the energy field off-centered in the picture. I did, and what I seen was the aura did not stay on the target but moved with the center of the picture. I am sorry if I got everyone hope up that this would work (mine included) but we have to accept facts. I have attached a picture to prove this.
    kybob
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  2. #182
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Yep! But the camera you are using still has the IR filter in it and may be adding to this problem. Anyway I will make a trip to an area that may prove promising. I will take different pictures over the course of the day and hope to see something. I still have not received the 1000nm filter. So I will be using the 720nm. I will post later in the week. Even though the picture are showing this spot in the center cased by the focusing of the lens. I still want to try all avenues before giving a finale say. And even if it does not prove to work I now have some cheap night vision stuff for caves and hunting at night when I don't want to be bothered.

    Tim

  3. #183
    mx
    Nov 2004
    Alamos,Sonora,Mexico
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    HIO KYBOB: I believe that it isn't a lens flare, but a simple change of perspective or viewing angle. The key may lie in the emitting object not being inside of the diamond shaped anomaly. As drawn, if it actually lies outside of the diamond, then it location still remains in the center of the Len's field.

    Incidentally, just what is this diamond anomaly? Even the grass is higher etc over it??

    Obviously more photographs are needed.

    Don Jose de La Mancha
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  4. #184
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    For those of you looking for an IR camera here's some on ebay.

    http://photography.shop.ebay.com/ite...=p3286.c0.m282

    Tim

  5. #185

    Oct 2005
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)
    I'm trying to learn this camera and obviously I have a ways to go. I took this one at 9:30 which I think was too late. I opened the aperature and shutter all the way. I didn't realize how long the shutter speed was, several seconds and I was holding the camera without tripod. The first pic is the original, the second touched up with Zoom Browser EX. This is three ounces silver coins.
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    Hi Mike,

    This is your original, with a one-stage enhancement in PhotoStudio.
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  6. #186
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    Jun 2005
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Thanks Mr Midas, I sent for a Canon EOS 350d. It will be here in a few days. If this works and it leads me to Treasure you will know about it. If it don't I will still have a nice camera for Memories of Good Friends and Family.
    Enthusiasm without " Knowledge " is like running in the Dark !!!

  7. #187
    mx
    Nov 2004
    Alamos,Sonora,Mexico
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold


    Good morning my buddy SWR, join me?: I wonder why you didn't comment on my last post on the apparant visual shifting of the haze by two different angles ? The Haze seems to actually exist, as evidenced by a pseudo 3 D experiment.

    Don Jose de La Mancha
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  8. #188

    Jul 2007
    ENGLAND & CALIFORNIA
    Eyes, ears and common sense
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    This experiment could be carried out under controlled condition inside ?
    Take 2 identical planters.
    obtain enough soil to fill both containers with enough soil to fill them both compacted, also the soil should come from the same place and be thouroughly mixed before sharing it between the two planters.
    Use a metal detector over the soil to ensure you are not introducing metalic objects into the experiment.
    Fill one planter with soil and compact it.
    Fill the second partly and place your gold/silver sample, then fill it the rest of the way and compact it.
    If you have a uv light source availiable use it during daylight hours to heat the soil in the 2 containers for a few weeks, alternatively place the containers in a spot in the sun ensuring both get the same exposure to sunlight.
    When enough time has passed place the 2 containers 1 at a time in the same spot and "photograph" them.

    Does this seem like a scientifically sound experiment ?
    If so only one container should give off an aura ?


    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  9. #189
    ca
    Feb 2007
    Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
    A Compass Magnum 420 recently brought back to life. And an untested "in the wild" Teknetics.
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    I'm not too fond of the topic name, as it feels misleading to me, but to each their own. Aura's aside, I do know and have posted in the past that IR and perhaps even UV can spot ground disturbance which are likely due to heat variations. I'm just wondering if anyone had thought of using an Image Intensifier, either alone, or in combination with IR, or UV? If I'm not mistaken, image intensifiers cover a wider range of the spectrum including X-rays and Gamma rays.
    See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_intensifier
    Or just Google it.

    Just a thought.

    F.


    Quote of Sir Joshua Reynolds': "There is no expedient, to which a man will not resort; to avoid the real labor, of thinking."

  10. #190
    Home of the Arc-Geo Logger imaging systems... As seen on the History Channel

    Dec 2005
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    IR can give you added info on a site or help you do things in the dark. Check this vid I did showing a cable line that was put down about 3 weeks ago.



    Tim

  11. #191
    us
    Jun 2005
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    That is all I need. If I can find the Old Burro Trails leading to the closed / concealed mine It will be all I need. If I find an aura just more icing on the cake.
    Enthusiasm without " Knowledge " is like running in the Dark !!!

  12. #192
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    Jun 2005
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    This experiment could be carried out under controlled condition inside ?
    Take 2 identical planters.
    obtain enough soil to fill both containers with enough soil to fill them both compacted, also the soil should come from the same place and be thouroughly mixed before sharing it between the two planters.
    Use a metal detector over the soil to ensure you are not introducing metalic objects into the experiment.
    Fill one planter with soil and compact it.
    Fill the second partly and place your gold/silver sample, then fill it the rest of the way and compact it.
    If you have a uv light source availiable use it during daylight hours to heat the soil in the 2 containers for a few weeks, alternatively place the containers in a spot in the sun ensuring both get the same exposure to sunlight.
    When enough time has passed place the 2 containers 1 at a time in the same spot and "photograph" them.

    Does this seem like a scientifically sound experiment ?
    If so only one container should give off an aura ?


    You need 3 people:

    Person 1 mixes the soil and plants the metal, labeling each planter "A" or "B" on the bottom where the labels can't be seen. Person 1 leaves the area, person 2 enters and randomly selects the containers and moves them to their final location, next to each other where they are exposed to the same conditions. Person 3 photographs both containers in one photo and looks for aura.

    Actually, this still won't do it, since the photographer/ image processor has a 50/50 chance of "guessing" correctly; to be statistically significant, you need a minimum sample size of 30.

  13. #193
    ca
    Feb 2007
    Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
    A Compass Magnum 420 recently brought back to life. And an untested "in the wild" Teknetics.
    512
    3 times

    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeGuy
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    This experiment could be carried out under controlled condition inside ?
    Take 2 identical planters.
    obtain enough soil to fill both containers with enough soil to fill them both compacted, also the soil should come from the same place and be thouroughly mixed before sharing it between the two planters.
    Use a metal detector over the soil to ensure you are not introducing metalic objects into the experiment.
    Fill one planter with soil and compact it.
    Fill the second partly and place your gold/silver sample, then fill it the rest of the way and compact it.
    If you have a uv light source availiable use it during daylight hours to heat the soil in the 2 containers for a few weeks, alternatively place the containers in a spot in the sun ensuring both get the same exposure to sunlight.
    When enough time has passed place the 2 containers 1 at a time in the same spot and "photograph" them.

    Does this seem like a scientifically sound experiment ?
    If so only one container should give off an aura ?


    You need 3 people:

    Person 1 mixes the soil and plants the metal, labeling each planter "A" or "B" on the bottom where the labels can't be seen. Person 1 leaves the area, person 2 enters and randomly selects the containers and moves them to their final location, next to each other where they are exposed to the same conditions. Person 3 photographs both containers in one photo and looks for aura.

    Actually, this still won't do it, since the photographer/ image processor has a 50/50 chance of "guessing" correctly; to be statistically significant, you need a minimum sample size of 30.
    This sounds like one of those blind tests, but I don't know if it would be a single blind test, or a double blind test. I wonder if one could find enough blind followers to participate in this test?

    Actually, I don't know how well this type of test would work using planters. I've been mulling over the idea of "Aura's" and while I was initially, and continue to be somewhat sceptical, there may be some aspects of the idea that aren't totally inconceivable.

    As admitted by posters to this topic, what I am seeing in the pictures posted here, isn't really an aura, it is an "enhanced" digital image that has been altered using software. And I could do similar things with photoshop to morph a tree into pointing at an "anomaly". That doesn't mean that there isn't something to the idea, just that the science isn't supporting the claimed observations. With this in mind, I thought I'd chime in and throw around a few ideas that could be possible causes of an "aura" detectable by unaltered digital imagery, that could be tested in a real world environment.

    Firstly, while I don't know and established science doesn't seem to know, of any "emanations" caused by gold, silver and other precious metals that would result in an "aura" being detected by a digital imaging device, that doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. Depending on the brand of digital camera, (there are differences between brands), it is possible detect images beyond the normal human range of sight and viewing infrared images, where there are infrared emissions to be detected, is an example of that. Other wavelengths can also be viewed using the right filters in combination with an emission source for that frequency. An example of this would be the security features embedded in common currency that are only visible using UV, and in some cases IR lighting, in combination with the appropriate filters for viewing.

    What I'm thinking, is that maybe what is being detected, is not an aura emanating from a gold, silver, or other type of deposit, but rather from an interaction involving a combination of factors, that could include common background radiation, radon gas, common chemicals in the soil, and moisture in combination with temperature and light variations, etc. I know that scientists would normally like to measure possible causes of a claim involving an "aura" such as this in a controlled laboratory environment, but I don't know if it would be possible to recreate all the potential conditions in a laboratory setting.

    So, while I'm not going to jump on the "Aura" bandwagon, I'm not going to totally dismiss the idea either. But, any time I see digital images altered using software that claim to illustrate some form of treasure lurking beneath, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

    F.

    Quote of Sir Joshua Reynolds': "There is no expedient, to which a man will not resort; to avoid the real labor, of thinking."

  14. #194

    Oct 2005
    22
    29 times

    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    Quote Originally Posted by Functional
    Quote Originally Posted by SomeGuy
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    This experiment could be carried out under controlled condition inside ?
    Take 2 identical planters.
    obtain enough soil to fill both containers with enough soil to fill them both compacted, also the soil should come from the same place and be thouroughly mixed before sharing it between the two planters.
    Use a metal detector over the soil to ensure you are not introducing metalic objects into the experiment.
    Fill one planter with soil and compact it.
    Fill the second partly and place your gold/silver sample, then fill it the rest of the way and compact it.
    If you have a uv light source availiable use it during daylight hours to heat the soil in the 2 containers for a few weeks, alternatively place the containers in a spot in the sun ensuring both get the same exposure to sunlight.
    When enough time has passed place the 2 containers 1 at a time in the same spot and "photograph" them.

    Does this seem like a scientifically sound experiment ?
    If so only one container should give off an aura ?


    You need 3 people:

    Person 1 mixes the soil and plants the metal, labeling each planter "A" or "B" on the bottom where the labels can't be seen. Person 1 leaves the area, person 2 enters and randomly selects the containers and moves them to their final location, next to each other where they are exposed to the same conditions. Person 3 photographs both containers in one photo and looks for aura.

    Actually, this still won't do it, since the photographer/ image processor has a 50/50 chance of "guessing" correctly; to be statistically significant, you need a minimum sample size of 30.
    This sounds like one of those blind tests, but I don't know if it would be a single blind test, or a double blind test. I wonder if one could find enough blind followers to participate in this test?

    Actually, I don't know how well this type of test would work using planters. I've been mulling over the idea of "Aura's" and while I was initially, and continue to be somewhat sceptical, there may be some aspects of the idea that aren't totally inconceivable.

    As admitted by posters to this topic, what I am seeing in the pictures posted here, isn't really an aura, it is an "enhanced" digital image that has been altered using software. And I could do similar things with photoshop to morph a tree into pointing at an "anomaly". That doesn't mean that there isn't something to the idea, just that the science isn't supporting the claimed observations. With this in mind, I thought I'd chime in and throw around a few ideas that could be possible causes of an "aura" detectable by unaltered digital imagery, that could be tested in a real world environment.

    Firstly, while I don't know and established science doesn't seem to know, of any "emanations" caused by gold, silver and other precious metals that would result in an "aura" being detected by a digital imaging device, that doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. Depending on the brand of digital camera, (there are differences between brands), it is possible detect images beyond the normal human range of sight and viewing infrared images, where there are infrared emissions to be detected, is an example of that. Other wavelengths can also be viewed using the right filters in combination with an emission source for that frequency. An example of this would be the security features embedded in common currency that are only visible using UV, and in some cases IR lighting, in combination with the appropriate filters for viewing.

    What I'm thinking, is that maybe what is being detected, is not an aura emanating from a gold, silver, or other type of deposit, but rather from an interaction involving a combination of factors, that could include common background radiation, radon gas, common chemicals in the soil, and moisture in combination with temperature and light variations, etc. I know that scientists would normally like to measure possible causes of a claim involving an "aura" such as this in a controlled laboratory environment, but I don't know if it would be possible to recreate all the potential conditions in a laboratory setting.

    So, while I'm not going to jump on the "Aura" bandwagon, I'm not going to totally dismiss the idea either. But, any time I see digital images altered using software that claim to illustrate some form of treasure lurking beneath, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

    F.

    Good post! You should be able to get auras from planters providing they are placed in direct contact with the ground. However, bearing in mind that it has been scientifically proven that the observer in an experiment can influence the results, it would be a far easier experiment to use the method to just go out and find treasure.

    In most cases the aura is visible on the 'raw' image, without using photo editing software as several images on this thread show. However, a simple, one-click enhance on a photo editor makes the aura, position and nature of the target much clearer. If anyone sees this as 'cheating', feel free to struggle on using raw images.

    Midas


  15. #195
    us
    Apr 2009
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    Re: Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

    This does not apply to a human standing nearby simply watching what someone else is doing.
    I think what he is trying to say is that if the observer is also the tester then they can influence the results. For example, if you know where you planted something then you are likely to post process the image until it shows up to prove the point.

 

 
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