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    Quote Originally Posted by clifdweller View Post
    Hey, I'm clear back on page 69, entry by Tom in CA, number 1034. In our scepticism, you might like to know leeching is NOW being used in MODERN medicine.
    Be back later with something else to consider.
    Are you saying that the doctors are using leeches to help patients?? If so, how much money per leech?

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    elh, Yip, it's true but they are specially raised by experts. You and I would have trouble ever getting into the business. (sigh) I guess we better stick with our hobby.
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    I hope the following examples will help someone be a little more open-minded. Sentinels will find fault but hopefully, someone may find value.
    Ignash Philipp Semmelweis[A] (German: [ɪˈɡnaːts ˈzɛml̩vaɪs]; Hungarian: Semmelweis Ignác Fülöp; 1 July 1818 – 13 August 1865) was a Hungarian physician of ethnic-German ancestry,[2] now known as an early pioneer of antiseptic procedures. Described as the "saviour of mothers",[2] Semmelweis discovered that the incidence of puerperal fever (also known as "childbed fever") could be drastically cut by the use of hand disinfection in obstetrical clinics. Puerperal fever was common in mid-19th-century hospitals and often fatal. Semmelweis proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic, where doctors' wards had three times the mortality of midwives' wards.[3] He published a book of his findings in Etiology, Concept and Prophylaxis of Childbed Fever.
    Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Semmelweis could offer no acceptable scientific explanation for his findings, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. In 1865, Semmelweis suffered a nervous breakdown and was committed to an asylum, where he died at age 47 of pyaemia, after being beaten by the guards, only 14 days after he was committed. Semmelweis's practice earned widespread acceptance only years after his death, when Louis Pasteur confirmed the germ theory and Joseph Lister, acting on the French microbiologist's research, practiced and operated, using hygienic methods, with great success.

    Gerhard Fischar - Portable Metal Detector
    In 1925, Gerhard Fischar invented a portable metal detector. Fischar's model was first sold commercially in 1931 and Fischar was behind the first large-scale production of metal detectors.
    According to the experts at A&S Company: "In the late 1920's, Dr. Gerhard Fisher, the founder of Fisher Research Laboratory, was commissioned as a research engineer with the Federal Telegraph Co. and Western Air Express to develop airborne direction finding equipment. He was awarded some of the first patents issued in the field of airborne direction finding by means of radio. In the course of his work, he encountered some strange errors and once he solved these problems, he had the foresight to apply the solution to a completely unrelated field, that of metal and mineral detection.

    What if Fischer had not had some research behind him? It might have gone like this:

    Scientists:“So, Gary, you are trying to tell us your new invention can detect gold underground?”

    Fischer: "Yes, it’s all based on this new science. The simplest form of a metal detector consists of an oscillator producing an alternating current that passes through a coil producing an alternating magnetic field. If a piece of electrically conductive metal is close to the coil, eddy currents will be induced in the metal, and this produces a magnetic field of its own. If another coil is used to measure the magnetic field (acting as a magnetometer), the change in the magnetic field due to the metallic object can be detected.
    It’s really quite simple, you see."

    Scientists: "Fischer, you are insane and should be locked up. You can’t use electricity to find gold."

    There are hundreds of examples if you just go looking.
    Someone recently used the Wright brothers as an example. The question was asked,
    “What if you were asked to invest in their first flight, would you do it?”
    Most in the room said “no” I said “yes”.
    I explained: "I always invest in people’s strange ideas. Most never work out. I wish I could have invested in theirs."
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  4. #1174
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    Cliff, very good post, and interesting to know how things started out. Reading about '' Semmelweis '' and his problems getting someone to simply
    believe and practice is what has been going on today and a few years back about taking pictures of auras with digital cameras. A simple FEW seems
    to always kill real good things. Maybe the naysayers are in cahoots with the AMA. Laugh at it and get it stopped if possible.

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    <snip>

    Quote Originally Posted by clifdweller View Post
    What if Fischer had not had some research behind him? It might have gone like this:

    Scientists:“So, Gary, you are trying to tell us your new invention can detect gold underground?”

    Fischer: "Yes, it’s all based on this new science. The simplest form of a metal detector consists of an oscillator producing an alternating current that passes through a coil producing an alternating magnetic field. If a piece of electrically conductive metal is close to the coil, eddy currents will be induced in the metal, and this produces a magnetic field of its own. If another coil is used to measure the magnetic field (acting as a magnetometer), the change in the magnetic field due to the metallic object can be detected.
    It’s really quite simple, you see."

    Scientists: "Fischer, you are insane and should be locked up. You can’t use electricity to find gold."
    This scenario is implausible because even in the unlikely event that no one understood the science, Fischer could reliably demonstrate that his device worked. Not so for gold seeing cameras, or dowsing, or long range locating, etc...
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    Wait, wait. Doubter, I think you missed the real point. You can't just look at one part of the issue. you have to consider the WHOLE picture. I'll start with Mel Fischer, the guy who found the sunken ship.

    Mel had several investors and they all believed the treasure would be theirs. When the state of Florida and the federal govt. tried to claim it, these investors had too much to lose so they took it to court, spent many thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars to protect their investment. Now, understand, they could not use the proceeds from their treasure; it was locked up. The money had to come out of their bank accounts.

    As I understand it the court ruled that since the treasure was in U.S./Florida territorial water they each had some claim. This is not the same as the Antiquities Act, which gives whichever govt. body ALL of the treasure, leaving none for the American people.

    In case you didn't know, some "land lubbers" HAVE gone to court over treasure found on land and ALL have lost, some even got fines. so, when someone says Mel Fischer didn't let that stop him, there is an obvious difference. At least it should be obvious.

    I doubt that any of the "land lubber" treasure hunters of today have thousands to spend on court cases or that investors will come forward to help them out. Attorneys that work on the basis of they only get paid if you win won't touch a case like this. You may not realize it but when someone goes up against a govt. body in court the govt. is paying out of the never-ending tax payer's pocket. I know of cases not associated with treasure hunting where the person finally pleaded "no contest" because they ran out of money. Govt. agencies don't plead "no contest" because they run out of money. They just take more from you.

    treasure hunters will NEVER present proof until the people get back the right to keep the treasure they find.

    I feel certain a segment of readers will agree with me but unfortunately, some cannot change their minds because pride doesn't allow us to admit we are wrong.

    Oh, and Dr. Semmelweis had an abundance of proof.

    Thanx.
    Last edited by clifdweller; Oct 24, 2018 at 12:09 PM.

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    i may as well jump in here too. how old is this thread ? somebody on saturday night live ? used to say ? unbeweevable just unbeweevable ?

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    I knew a man back in the 1970's who spent over $25,000 trying to prove his right to a claim. The state had deep tax payer's pockets. Several friends contributed to this man's case but in the end, the govt. doesn't have limits.

    Thanx.

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    Did you know that some states (Arizona, for one) claim treasure found on PRIVATE land? So, if you find treasure in your own back yard in those states they take it from you. This means, as in the words of sandy1, you don't own property, you are only leasing it from the state.

    Thanx.
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    clif, not sure what the heck you're driving at here. Science has been, and remains, the overwhelmingly best way to figure out reality. Hands down beats superstition, religion, or just guessing. Makes some wrong turns along the way, but it tends to be very self-correcting.

    Your example of Fisher was curious... by the time he figured out how to make a metal detector, they had been around for 50 years. Trouve, Hughes, and Bell had built them in the 1870's & 80's, along with quite a few others in the 10's & 20's. It was known science by then. Fisher was just the first to mass-produce them.

    In any case, how does any of this play into whether auras are real or imaginary?

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    I don't believe a word of any of it. There's only two things I believe in, God and Rock & Roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clifdweller View Post
    Gerhard Fischar - Portable Metal Detector
    In 1925, Gerhard Fischar invented a portable metal detector. Fischar's model was first sold commercially in 1931 and Fischar was behind the first large-scale production of metal detectors.
    According to the experts at A&S Company: "In the late 1920's, Dr. Gerhard Fisher, the founder of Fisher Research Laboratory, was commissioned as a research engineer with the Federal Telegraph Co. and Western Air Express to develop airborne direction finding equipment. He was awarded some of the first patents issued in the field of airborne direction finding by means of radio. In the course of his work, he encountered some strange errors and once he solved these problems, he had the foresight to apply the solution to a completely unrelated field, that of metal and mineral detection.

    What if Fischer had not had some research behind him? It might have gone like this:

    Scientists:“So, Gary, you are trying to tell us your new invention can detect gold underground?”

    Fischer: "Yes, it’s all based on this new science. The simplest form of a metal detector consists of an oscillator producing an alternating current that passes through a coil producing an alternating magnetic field. If a piece of electrically conductive metal is close to the coil, eddy currents will be induced in the metal, and this produces a magnetic field of its own. If another coil is used to measure the magnetic field (acting as a magnetometer), the change in the magnetic field due to the metallic object can be detected.
    It’s really quite simple, you see."

    Scientists: "Fischer, you are insane and should be locked up. You can’t use electricity to find gold."
    Nope. Because Mr. Fisher had a working unit to demonstrate the process AND it relied on explainable science. Bounce a wave, get a return back. (And it measured relative conductivity, not "magnetism", same as the current ones. Gold exhibits no magnetic tendencies and emits no signals of it's own).
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    America was founded by tough hell-raisers. Rugged citizens who evaded taxes, spoke strongly against tyranny, grew tobacco, brewed beer, distilled spirits, and smuggled weapons. And it will be saved by those same types of citizens.

  13. #1183
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    Quote Originally Posted by clifdweller View Post
    Did you know that some states (Arizona, for one) claim treasure found on PRIVATE land? So, if you find treasure in your own back yard in those states they take it from you. This means, as in the words of sandy1, you don't own property, you are only leasing it from the state.
    Thanx.
    I never find treasure..just money.
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    "If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest
    of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick
    the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you
    were our countrymen." ~~ Samuel Adams, 1776

    Dizzy's Super-Simple, Universal Rule of Forum Conduct: Don't be an ass.

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    Do people only see what they want to see? Notice that this is a "what if" statement.
    "What if Fischer had not had some research behind him? It might have gone like this:"

    Maybe magnetics had nothing to do with it but the statement I used was a direct quote from Wikipedia. If I'm wrong so is Wiki.

    I certainly am not at all knowledgeble about IR or digital cameras. My expertise is herbs and alternative medicine. I have noticed over the years that some things that are scoffed at are eventually accepted. Some are rejected, like snake oil. It takes time.

    From the alternative Medicine arena:
    For example, the idea of Patterning mentally handicapped children was rejected and those who promoted it were treated as quacks. Now it is accepted.

    Dr. Butyko (spelled wrong) developed a method of breathing to help asthmatics. Treated as quackery until recently. Now it is promoted by many pulmonologists.

    At my first encounter with a cardiologist I told him I was using cayenne pepper instead of nitro glycerin tablets for chest pain. He could not tell me to continue. He did say, however, (this is very close to an exact quote) "Alternative medicine is about 20 years ahead of us because we have to wait until something is proven."

    My point is it is easy to be a naysayer but none of us know what may one day be accepted. Why not be open-minded? That is all I am doing. I want proof too.
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    Do any of you on this thread remember anything about '' sickle cell anemia '' ? At one time it was a total free for all in the streets to even THINK that
    it existed. It took some fighter pilots getting killed in crashes to learn what happened. They had been given blood from some one who had the anemia.
    NOW, you can see signs splattered around wanting donations to fight the anemia through medicine.
    Why did it require men to die before it was believed to be true? IGNORANCE pure and simple. The sickel cell will not tolerate heights.
    By today there may be meds to hold it at bay but I know not if there is such.

 

 
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