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  1. #1351
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    I have reviewed the history, and you are right. You did not introduce it. I stand corrected. I guess I saw your comments on the connection (?) in # 1341 and 1344 and just made the jump-in-conclusion. My bad.



    "pictures and questions" about what ? Cameras that can discern gold ? Dowsing ? Sorry, I lost ya here.
    Easy there. You'll see.

    Several months ago we got rid of our laptop computer and replaced it with this smart phone. I love it. But if there is a way to post pictures on TN with it, I don't know how. So, we will all have to wait until I can go to our local library and post them on TN from there.

    Sleep tight, I know I will.
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    If dowsing does not work, the Spanish would not have used it as much as they did.

    Practice makes perfect, even in dowsing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Yes. And just as in a metal detector example: I acknowledged that this is not fair to say "it doesn't work" when a test is done that's beyond the contraption's stated abilities. We agree.

    Ok, fine , then show that it works at ANY depth. That can't be chalked up to random eventual chances (blotches, blurs, naturally occurring eventual orbs or streaks, etc.... ). If it can be shown to repeatable @ double blind tests, at stated/claimed depths/abilities: Then the world will beat a path to your door.



    It is not up to the skeptic to show it *doesn't* work. The burden of proof would be on the claimant to show that it works. Not vice-versa.

    And you know full well that anyone who DID try to show "proof that it doesn't work", will simply be told "you weren't doing it right", or "You need more practice". Right ?
    Why wouldn't a skeptic not be able to come up with one experiment or test that shows why it doesn't work? How many times have you gone out and tried this technique? What equipment have you used? What conditions have you tried your experiments in? Or you are just quoting from the Great Randis manual? I figured with the volumes you've spewed saying it doesn't work you'd be able to come up with one tiny bit of science proving it doesn't work. Sorry Sheldon I guess I was just trying too hard to give you some credit.

    "The burden of proof would be on the claimant to show that it works. Not vice-versa." This reply / excuse is getting old. Not asking you to prove it just asking you to explain why it doesn't work. Can you accomplish that simple task? I figure with your vast knowledge regarding this you'd be able to whip out 16 paragraphs of scientific data. Yet all you can come up with is "The burden of proof would be on the claimant to show that it works. Not vice-versa." And yet again, "What claims have I made?" So far, I've passed on things I've tried or experimented with in the hopes someone might have better results or found something I've missed. Nighty night Sheldon! Sleep tight!
    I know it's here, just need a bigger coil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogeyman View Post
    Why wouldn't a skeptic not be able to come up with one experiment or test that shows why it doesn't work? ...
    Because the moment the skeptic presents such data from testings: It will be summarily dismissed by the believers. Who will claim the tester wasn't doing it right. Or that they needed more practice. No matter if they invested 6 months, the advocates will say they should have tried for a year. If the guy tries a year, they'll tell him to try 2 yrs. And so forth till infinity. At no-time does it ever not work. Eh ?

    Example: I can devise a treasure hunt method that involves smearing peanut butter on a tennis shoe. Toss the shoe into the air. Wherever it points, when it hits the ground, is the direction of treasure. Repeat as necessary till you arrive at the treasure.

    And then I can defy you to: "Prove my shoe method doesn't work". If you come back to me 6 months later with no treasure, the genius push-backs would begin : a) You weren't using the right brand of peanut butter. b) You need more practice. c) You had "bad vibes". d) Durned those sun-spots anyhow.

    And ...... at no time, does my shoe-system not work perfectly mind-you. Right ?

    So too is it with the "cameras-that-discern-gold" claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsak View Post
    and a simple question for all the believers . is anyone here that used a photocamera and found anything? is there anyone and i don't want to hear about beliefs etc. we don't discuss about God here . we talk about a practical thing here that has two ways , either this technique is working and by using it someone can find buried gold or it's not working. it's that simple. because i've tested it in a test filed and only found orbs and bubbles in the pictures so far.
    As far as I know, the only claim of an aura recovery was by Don Danylyk, and that was using an SX-70. Supposedly a Polaroid photo of a house showed a "flare" at the chimney, and small cache was found hidden behind some loose chimney bricks. To his credit, Danylyk did further testing with the SX-70 and could never get any repeatable results, but he still believes the method worked, at least once.

    If you read through this thread you will see lots of photos with flares and streaks, but I've seen no photos of any finds. And I can't recall anyone ever claiming that a digital photo aura resulted in a recovery. In his book, Villanueva attempts to claim success with his recovery of several gold coins in a field, but he makes it clear that the initial coin was purely accidental and the remaining coins were found with thorough metal detecting.

    My own tests with both SX-70 and digital determined that the whole thing is bad photography combined with wishful thinking.
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  5. #1355

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsak View Post
    and a simple question for all the believers . is anyone here that used a photocamera and found anything? is there anyone ....
    Here is an irrefutable push-back line you could/would get to this "evidence in finds" request : That ... yes .... they get "buried gold" with it. *HOWEVER*, they can't show you. They don't post show & tell. Because

    A) they're afraid of the IRS coming to claim taxes, and

    B) they're afraid that thieves will come target their house.

    But rest assured: They find gold with it. Makes perfect sense, eh ? After all, you'd be a "fool to show off a big ticket treasure find", right ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl-NC View Post
    .... a Polaroid photo of a house showed a "flare" at the chimney, and small cache was found hidden behind some loose chimney bricks.....
    This is what I would call "anecdotal" proof. That ...... yes .... anecdotal stories abound in these unconventional methods. But like you/he say: It was not repeatable. And that they were "pointing the thing in most likely spots", and "digging enough holes in likely areas", and "using a detector to pinpoint", etc...

    History is FILLED with true accounts of people who found goodies , without even looking for them. Eg.: construction worker tearing down a wall. Ditch-digger digging a ditch. Person walking their dog who kicks at a rusty can top, etc... So HOW MUCH MORE SO will someone who is INTENTIONALLY looking for goodies, not eventually randomly find a goodie ? And then they can announce it was their gadget that did it, right ?
    Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!

  6. #1356
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    A picture.

    Look at this picture. There are two questions. Select what you think is the one correct answer for each question

    1. What do you see or think this is a picture of?

    A. Only one buried target.

    B. A target made up of more than one piece.

    C. Nothing, just orbs.

    2. If you saw this picture in the field while hunting for a treasure, you would:

    A. Investigate further.

    B. Ignore it and move on.

    End of test.

    More pictures to look at coming your way soon. Stay tuned.
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    Last edited by lesjcbs; Apr 17, 2019 at 08:09 AM.
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    Einstein said: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time.”

    If dowsing does not work, the Spanish would not have used it as much as they did.

    Practice makes perfect, even in dowsing.

  7. #1357
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl-NC View Post
    As far as I know, the only claim of an aura recovery was by Don Danylyk, and that was using an SX-70. Supposedly a Polaroid photo of a house showed a "flare" at the chimney, and small cache was found hidden behind some loose chimney bricks. To his credit, Danylyk did further testing with the SX-70 and could never get any repeatable results, but he still believes the method worked, at least once.

    If you read through this thread you will see lots of photos with flares and streaks, but I've seen no photos of any finds. And I can't recall anyone ever claiming that a digital photo aura resulted in a recovery. In his book, Villanueva attempts to claim success with his recovery of several gold coins in a field, but he makes it clear that the initial coin was purely accidental and the remaining coins were found with thorough metal detecting.

    My own tests with both SX-70 and digital determined that the whole thing is bad photography combined with wishful thinking.
    There ya go!!! Sheldon! Read Carls comment here. Gotta give Carl credit! He's put in the effort to go out and experiment and actually try. From his comments he's done some research. Carls got credit in my book he put in the effort! Even if he didn't come up with the results we/he would like to see, he put in the effort he did some work! He didn't just sit back and spew some second grade examples.
    I know it's here, just need a bigger coil!

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  8. #1358
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Here is an irrefutable push-back line you could/would get to this "evidence in finds" request : That ... yes .... they get "buried gold" with it. *HOWEVER*, they can't show you. They don't post show & tell. Because

    A) they're afraid of the IRS coming to claim taxes, and BEEN THERE DONE THAT. AUDITED TWICE

    B) they're afraid that thieves will come target their house. BEEN BROKEN INTO ONCE, and neighbor was broken into with the only explanation from the cops was they thought his house was mine.

    But rest assured: They find gold with it. Makes perfect sense, eh ? After all, you'd be a "fool to show off a big ticket treasure find", right ? Something that really bothers me is a question that keeps popping up in my mind. Why is it your focus is always show what you've found show your finds/treasure etc. Who do you work for? With your self professed archaeology work, and demanding proof of finds I sure wouldn't be surprised if your name pops up on the Ca. State Archie enforcement roster. Who do you work for?

    And once again Sheldon, you need to change up the post-its on the wall. Zero effort, spewing the same old stuff. Boring Sheldon boring..... Pay attention to Carl! He's done the work, put in the effort!



    This is what I would call "anecdotal" proof. That ...... yes .... anecdotal stories abound in these unconventional methods. But like you/he say: It was not repeatable. And that they were "pointing the thing in most likely spots", and "digging enough holes in likely areas", and "using a detector to pinpoint", etc...

    History is FILLED with true accounts of people who found goodies , without even looking for them. Eg.: construction worker tearing down a wall. Ditch-digger digging a ditch. Person walking their dog who kicks at a rusty can top, etc... So HOW MUCH MORE SO will someone who is INTENTIONALLY looking for goodies, not eventually randomly find a goodie ? And then they can announce it was their gadget that did it, right ?
    A) they're afraid of the IRS coming to claim taxes, and BEEN THERE DONE THAT. AUDITED TWICE

    B) they're afraid that thieves will come target their house. BEEN BROKEN INTO ONCE, and neighbor was broken into with the only explanation from the cops was they thought his house was mine.

    But rest assured: They find gold with it. Makes perfect sense, eh ? After all, you'd be a "fool to show off a big ticket treasure find", right ? Something that really bothers me is a question that keeps popping up in my mind. Why is it your focus is always show what you've found show your finds/treasure etc. Who do you work for? With your self professed archaeology work, and demanding proof of finds I sure wouldn't be surprised if your name pops up on the Ca. State Archie enforcement roster. Who do you work for?

    And once again Sheldon, you need to change up the post-its on the wall. Zero effort, spewing the same old stuff. Boring Sheldon boring..... Pay attention to Carl! He's done the work, put in the effort!
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    "Hold my beer and watch this!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogeyman View Post
    .... From his comments he's done some research. ...
    Yup. And let me guess: You dismiss the results/conclusions he's come to. Right ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogeyman View Post
    A) they're afraid of the IRS coming to claim taxes, and BEEN THERE DONE THAT. AUDITED TWICE

    B) they're afraid that thieves will come target their house. BEEN BROKEN INTO ONCE, ....
    Thanx for confirming these fall-back-lines.

    As for (A), it might be an interesting study to interview the various "today's find" posters (especially banner recipients), who found valuable items. Ie.: things they could easily turn around and sell for big money. Interview each of them and ask them: "Did the IRS show up on your door step?". I suppose that the push-back to that will be: That any of those items (which include occasional caches BTW) are small-potatoes bread-&-butter caches. Or singular coins worth smaller-values. Right ?

    Thus we can rest-assured that Atocha-scale treasure legend stuff is being found. But the person's are just remaining mum, for-fear-of-the-IRS. Right ? It's entirely possible !

    But then the problem is: ANYONE can claim "found treasures". And there's no way to sort it out, eh ? Don't forget, some people's definition of "found", is that they think they honed down a treasure to a certain meadow, certain cave, certain swamp, etc... And now it's merely a matter of getting heavy equipment to dig down 20 meters, and over-come govt. red tape. But rest assured, they've "found" (past tense) a treasure. Right ?

    As for (B) : This one defies logic . Because if a thief wants to target houses of people that "likely have goodies" (ie.: the more affluent in society), they do NOT have to read md'ing forums, to "see who's found recent goodies". There's a much simpler way to assess which households likely have the most affluence and wealth: To simply drive down the street, and see what kind of cars are in the driveway. If someone has a late model high end Beemer or Ferrari, then .... odds are: They're well-off and affluent.

    Also as for (B) : My business shop was broken into before. It had nothing to do with "treasures" or show & tell forum posts, etc.... It was just a routine burglary, of someone who just wanted to make off with tools. So I would not immediately attribute any break-in burglaries to "someone knew I md'd a goodie" . Because, a quick-look down the police-blotter column in the newspaper shows that ...... there's low-life scums, that do burglaries, all-the-time.
    Last edited by Tom_in_CA; Apr 15, 2019 at 08:15 PM.
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    @jcc

    You and me both. Ever work for law enforcement? Morgue shots and accidents? It's the worst ever. I'll take a bat mitzva full of screaming brats any day.
    On the pictures around pages 83-85 ish, I see classic mutl element lens flare and spot relfects. I think it's possible pushing the iso and using ir filters can increase the lens problems. Reason I say that is the symmetrical triplicate rings and flare offsets. I would put more credence in color shifts and temperature color levels on a more horizontal pattern.
    Last edited by Huntster54; Apr 15, 2019 at 09:03 PM.

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    Sorry Les, I didn't bring it up, look to post #1289. I only came up with the comparison because of your signature and some earlier posts in the beginning.

    On your digitals in post #1356, if I or any other photographer can produce that same field of orbs, or what I think are lens flares, also because of the hexagonal formation of the spots usually due from shutter diaphragms, photographers are familiar with this phenomenon. Wouldn't you think the spots would be random, not perfectly aligned? One way to know if they're lens artifacts is you can draw a straight line through whatever row of spots you want and they will line up. Like yours do.

    If someone reproduces an almost exact photo but shooting a brick wall or the sky, what would you think? I think there's something to this technique, but I don't believe it's the spots that appear. I would be more interested in anomalies of color, and layered ground colors. Not flares, or out of focus spots. Which is what I think is being taken for some sort of indicator.

    Using the camera there is an almost ancient photography technique called Bokeh. The art of throwing backgrounds out of focus using focus, stopping the lens down, or depth of field or a combination of.
    Please go to the link, it's one of dozens and look at the photographs and you may get a better understanding where we photographers are coming from and trying to explain civilly about.

    I came into this late and do not want to get in the middle of a personal drama that seems to have been going on quite some time. At the very least look at the link. If not to agree a little with us, then to better educate yourself.

    "An example of the bokeh produced by the Canon 85 mm prime f/1.8 lens. The polygonal shapes are due to the 8-bladed aperture diaphragm being slightly closed. At its full aperture (f/1.8) these shapes would be smooth and not polygonal."

    I see hexagons- polygonal, do you?

    gl

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh
    Last edited by Huntster54; Apr 15, 2019 at 09:11 PM.

  13. #1363
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    Hunt. Thanks for the link.

    Trust me, my picture in post 1356 is crystal clear and not blurry at all on my lap top computer I use to process pictures with. I guess the blurriness happened somewhere in the TN posting program process.

    Now, will you please answer my questions in that same post straight forwardly.

    With respect,

    Les.
    Last edited by lesjcbs; Apr 15, 2019 at 09:47 PM.
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    If dowsing does not work, the Spanish would not have used it as much as they did.

    Practice makes perfect, even in dowsing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesjcbs View Post
    Look at this picture.

    1. Is there one target here?
    or
    2. Is there more than one target here?
    or
    3. Is there nothing here but orbs?

    4. If you saw this picture in the field while hunting a treasure, would you investigate further, or would you ignore it and move on?

    More pictures to look at coming your way soon. Stay tuned.
    I'd call this "bad photography."

    I'll take a guess that you are photographing buried test target(s) and believe they are causing the effect. As I've said before, try photographing dog turds, they'll produce the same effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl-NC View Post
    I'd call this "bad photography."

    I'll take a guess that you are photographing buried test target(s) and believe they are causing the effect. As I've said before, try photographing dog turds, they'll produce the same effect.
    It was shot with a stop of f5, slow shutter speed and short focal length with both direct and reflected light sources. Taking off a hood in this case is textbook example of how to create flares. If this was a paranormal forum they'd be swearing he found an unmarked graveyard.

 

 
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