New Member, First Post, River Find Of Pipe (help date) Petrified Bone and Flint

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Hello fellow treasure hunters. My name is Jim and this is my first post. Hope the pics are placed right. I just found this site while researching some of my other finds and I'm glad I did. I am currently living in Kansas but I have lived allover and I hunt for treasure everywhere I go.

I have hunted for treasure my whole life and I don't limit myself to just one way or style of hunting. I metal detect, scuba dive, surface hunt, dig, I go to auctions, estate sales, flea markets, etc. I hunt and collect about anything vintage to ancient.

I love all archeology and I collect artifacts from all cultures. I try to go surface and metal detecting on ancient sites as often as possible.

I was very fortunate to have parents that are in to treasure hunting, digging bottles, antiquing, finding Indian artifacts etc. So I was born in to this way of life and have a knack for finding things because of that. My parents exposed me to this "sickness" that I don't mind having. I usually keep everything I find but in the future I plan to open my own web site to sell off some stuff and about half of the site will be a museum. You know, for things I could never bring myself to get rid of.

I have permission to hunt a an old Fort which I hunted in the summer of 1993 and I found 10, 5 gallon buckets of locks, blacksmith made axe heads, U.S. tent stakes, buckels, bottles, etc. in about 4 hours. It is packed and I plan on going back this spring or summer. I will show you my finds.

I went surface hunting on a river today and I found some interesting things (but not my best). In this area you can find bones that are from the last ice age and older. Even ancient human bones are found as well as Paleo tools and Clovis Points. If you are lucky you can find Bison skulls and mastodon teeth. The last picture is of a Bison tooth.

Here is what I found:
Petrified Bones
A Bone Trigger Awl
Flint Flakes Flaked by Man
Trade Era Pipe (Kaolin Clay) (found Nov. 2nd same spot)
Bison Tooth

Here is the Trigger Awl. This was used as a tool for many purposes but the most interesting is knapping flint in to tools and projectile points. I have found several of these but this one is real nice because of its age, It is petrified. It also shows wear from use on the trigger and the tip. These were held in the hand with the first two fingers on the triggers and the thumb on top which allowed for a great amount of pressure and leverage.
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Here are other petrified bones that I found today. Many of these are from extinct animals and mammals. I find these often and sometimes they show cut marks from being butchered by ancient man. The University of Kansas has an awesome museum of these bones and artifacts of ancient man.
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Here are some flint flakes and chips that are the bi product of knapping flint into tools and projectile points. All show working and flaking by man and two could have been lancets. The triangle shaped one is a broken unifacial knife made from a flake (most likely paleo). There are also two dark brown bone points.
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Here is a find from the same spot that I found Nov. 2nd. This is a Trade Era Kaolin (china clay) pipe. I have dug these before but I usually don't find them in the river. This is broken, the stems are originally long. Indians however did intentionally break the stems to use as beads in a necklace and this was found just below an Indian site I am hunting.

I am trying to date this pipe. I know it is older because most in the 1800's were just molded heads with reed stems. This one has an older shaped bowl. I have a book titled "Indian Trade Relics" which has this exact pipe with the same bowl and elbow and it dates it to mid to late 1600's and another book dates it to exactly 1620. Both books state that it is European made, which the older ones are. Are there any pipe experts out there who would know the exact date of production? I hope the books are correct because that is very early for almost any trade relic around here (Kansas). That is between the time of The Spanish (Coronado) and the French fur traders. It sure does have the age, patina and wear on it to be from the 1600's.

I would greatly appreciate any feed back or knowledge anyone has on this pipe, thanks.
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This is an extinct Bison tooth
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I look forward to sharing treasures, finds, knowledge, ideas and having fun with all of you.

Thanks
Jim
 

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plehbah said:
That pipe bowl with the forward tilt and the more slender bowl proportions looks early to me, at least the late 18th century. I will defer to others on the final say though.

What part of the country are you in? If you are not on the East Coast, I would say you can start getting excited about finding ceramics like that pipe bowl.

I am in East Kansas and I find a lot of stuff in this area so I do expect to find more pipes and early artifacts. I have found clay trade pipes like this before but not of this age. I also found an early French beaver trap in this area not long ago. I also have a big year planned as I have many sites I have been researching so I will gladly share my finds with everyone.

Thanks
Jim
 

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There's a lot of bone coming out of that site. very cool.
 

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Welcome to Tnet. Like your posts even though the pics are SOOO big...lol

Goood hunting

SKD
 

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SoreKneesDayton said:
Welcome to Tnet. Like your posts even though the pics are SOOO big...lol

Goood hunting

SKD
Thank You, I'm glad to be here and I will work on my pictures. I am using a new phot program and haven't figured out how to shrink them yet. There will be lots of other good stuff to come.
Thanks
Jim
 

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BOOTY HUNTER,
welcome to the board.

Sounds like you have been at it for some time,
and yes, many folks have the ""sickness" . ;D :wink:

Hope we will be seeing even more of you finds.

have a good un........
SHERMANVILLE
 

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Jim, welcome to this great site. Love your stuff and story. It is a sickness, it's all I want to do.
 

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I'm not sure what "petrified" means. Does that mean fossilized, or something else?

Nice finds. We don't see much bone on here.
 

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SoreKneesDayton said:
Welcome to Tnet. Like your posts even though the pics are SOOO big...lol

Goood hunting

SKD
Thanks for the welcome, take another look.....I fix the pics, Ha Ha.
 

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jsandin said:
I'm not sure what "petrified" means. Does that mean fossilized, or something else?

Nice finds. We don't see much bone on here.

Thanks a lot. I'm glad you like them. I find cooler stuff than this usually, you will see. Petrified is when the organic material is replaced by minerals (a silification process). It makes them kind of take on a glass like quality. They actually sound like glass if you jingle them together in your hand kinda like silver coins (high pitch). I fixed the pics since you saw them. Take another look.
Jim
 

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jsandin said:
I'm not sure what "petrified" means. Does that mean fossilized, or something else?

Nice finds. We don't see much bone on here.

Hey, I just saw where you are from. I live right down the street from you at 119th & Pflumm, Overland Park, KS. Howdy Neighbor!!!!!!!!! We might have to get together.
 

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Awesome finds !! And welcome to Tnet ! Sounds like you found a awesome spot im looking forward to some more pics and posts !!
 

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Welcome to the best forums on the net and a A Big Howdy From Alabama.
 

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Re: New Member, First Post, River Find Of Pipe (help date) Petrified Bone and Fl

WTG,Looks like you have a good spot,Love the Indian artifacts and the old pipe !!!!! :thumbsup:
 

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Thats some super finds. Glad to hear that you have more to share :thumbsup:
 

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ohannos said:
Thats some super finds. Glad to hear that you have more to share :thumbsup:
Thanks, Glad to be here, in just two days I have already made friends and found hunting partners. Glad you like thefinds. There will be a lot more to come.

Jim
 

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Hey, I'm sure you have heard this a few times, Welcome to Treasure Net. I really like your flint, I hunt
here in Ohio for Indian artifacts when I'm not metal detecting. Heck sometimes while detecting
I pick up a arrowhead or two.

Nice finds!

HH,Ringfinder
 

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