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  1. #1
    us
    May 2008
    Somewhere in CT
    Minelab E-Trac
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    7 times
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    Toasted Old Copper

    Hello all!

    I had the opportunity to hunt a 1700 colonial home today... and dug this copper at 3"

    I can make out the head facing left and ribbons coming off the back of his head... the face looks like the early 1700's America Rosa coins...

    Front

    (the coin is about or 1mm smaller than an 1800's American Large Cent...)



    back:



    Its toasted :-(

    I did get 7 wheat pennies... 1930's and 40's... one 1935 Merc Dime... and a strange piece...

    This is the same size and thickness as a the wheat pennies.... but smooth...



    *shrug*

    Thank for looking...
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  3. #2
    us
    Jan 2005
    Central Indiana
    white's
    1,798

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    cool lookin finds! congrats,bigrig
    whites mxt,dd1400 coil

  4. #3

    Mar 2008
    upstate ny
    se pro
    1,100
    3 times
    dirty pennies
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    sweet copper. the obverse profile is pleasantly intact. someone'll id that one soon, i'm sure...
    dirty pennies...

  5. #4

    Jul 2007
    Maryland
    5,634
    9 times
    Banner Finds (1)
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    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    The only Copper I can find with bust facing right and the word
    "GRATIA" written to the right, is a Charles II Irish halfpenny
    minted 1680-1684.
    But I'm just a maryland Civil War Relic Hunter, What do I know?
    Ty

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  6. #5
    us
    Jul 2006
    MICHIGAN
    whites dfx and whites beachunter i.d. in summer
    468

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    wow your right that is toasted
    WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GO DIGGING.

  7. #6
    us
    Ace250man

    Jul 2004
    Shelbyville or any yard where the owner will let me detect!
    ace 250
    19,944
    54 times
    Metal Detecting
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    definetily toasted, but better than no finds at all...
    ALLEN

  8. #7
    us
    Sep 2007
    Ring Of Fire
    10,306
    2 times
    Metal Detecting

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Toasted or not.......... still a copper find

  9. #8
    us
    PA John

    Nov 2008
    York, PA
    Teknetics T2, Whites 6000 Series 2, Garrett Sea Hunter XL500 Pulse, Whites Dual Field Surf PI, Garrett AT Pro, ProPointer
    270
    22 times
    Metal Detecting

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    That has got to be the most "red headed step" coin I have ever seen.

    Interesting!

  10. #9

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Either a Woods Hibernia Halfpenny, or Rosa Americana Halfpenny.

    Match the size, and the position of the word Gratia which you can see most of on your coin, and between the two you should be able to confirm ID.

  11. #10

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Patch
    Either a Woods Hibernia Halfpenny, or Rosa Americana Halfpenny.

    Match the size, and the position of the word Gratia which you can see most of on your coin, and between the two you should be able to confirm ID.
    About time your replied, I wembled on this one for a bit, and just don't know, going by what the size given, it is too big to be the Rosa Americana Halfpenny and my pictured Rosa Americana Penny does not have the word GRATIA there, so then we go to Woods Hibernia Halfpenny, which I have one also and that has GRATIA in the right place, But, darn, the bust just is not right nor the reverse looks more like a Americana possible design than the Hibernia........ So, my answer is (Really need more information to say for sure, like exact diameter in millimeters and weight might help but more so the diameter....



    Don
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    "The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
    For undug coins this is true. For dug coins this is untrue.
    The value will increase with judicious cleaning."

  12. #11

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Quote Originally Posted by Don in SJ
    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Patch
    Either a Woods Hibernia Halfpenny, or Rosa Americana Halfpenny.

    Match the size, and the position of the word Gratia which you can see most of on your coin, and between the two you should be able to confirm ID.
    About time your replied, I wembled on this one for a bit, and just don't know, going by what the size given, it is too big to be the Rosa Americana Halfpenny and my pictured Rosa Americana Penny does not have the word GRATIA there, so then we go to Woods Hibernia Halfpenny, which I have one also and that has GRATIA in the right place, But, darn, the bust just is not right nor the reverse looks more like a Americana possible design than the Hibernia........ So, my answer is (Really need more information to say for sure, like exact diameter in millimeters and weight might help but more so the diameter....



    Don

    The problem below is your Woods coin, it is the one with a bust that does not look like either the Woods or Rosa. Think the corrosion and angle is making it look different, but it's not. (as far as the style of the bust)

    PS... I had a Rosa HP about a year ago and would have thought it was bigger than the woods, but impossible to say from memory.

  13. #12
    us
    May 2008
    Somewhere in CT
    Minelab E-Trac
    764
    7 times
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Wieght is 4 grams... let me get the size...
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  14. #13

    Jul 2007
    Maryland
    5,634
    9 times
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    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Looks about right.


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  15. #14
    us
    May 2008
    Somewhere in CT
    Minelab E-Trac
    764
    7 times
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Sitting atop an 1848 Large Cent



    Side View of same:



    Wet for different possible detail

    Front:



    Back:



    Side by side:



    Thx for all the input ad replies...

    Iron, Don, and Tymcmurray!
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  16. #15
    us
    May 2008
    Somewhere in CT
    Minelab E-Trac
    764
    7 times
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    I think we have it nailed... looking in the Red Book my first instincts were right...

    The Letters "RO" are clear under the magifying glass on the back ... It all points at the:

    1722 Rosa Americana Half Penny

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  17. #16

    Re: Toasted Old Copper


    A Rosa is a good find. I have a decent (for dug) 1722 Twopence.

  18. #17
    us
    Dec 2008
    Michigan
    Ace 250
    906
    4 times

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    too bad its so toasty but still a nice find! keep it up. best of luck and HH
    CRH Totals 2009

    Wheats 90
    Pre 1960 105
    Buffalo 5
    War Nic 2
    Merc 0
    Rosie 15
    Wash. Quarter 2
    Walking 0
    Franklin 0
    90% 1
    40% 12
    Canadian Silver 3

  19. #18
    us
    Jan 2009
    Upstate New York
    Compass X-80 Challenger, Yukon 77B Professional
    626

    Re: Toasted Old Copper

    Congratulations on a very old find!
    That coin looks more like it was nuked than just toasted.
    Any possibility of cleaning it a little? Or would you lose
    everything. It's up to you but if I had a coin like that I
    would see if any of the detail is salvageable. Not much
    to show the way way it is.
    Anyway, I'd continue hunting that site to see if you can
    come up with her good looking sister.
    Happy Hunting!

    John
    John from Upstate New York

 

 

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