Meteorite or "Meteorwrong"?

[tod1d]

Meteorite or "Meteorwrong"?

My son and I were hunting at a nearby tot-lot and found this. It sticks to a magnet and is pretty heavy for its size. I probably won't have it tested. Regardless of what it would turn out to be I think it is pretty neat find.

 

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[MAINE HILLS HUNTER]

Re: Meteorite or "Meteorwrong"?

Is it magnetic? If so your chance of it being a meteorite increases.

 

[Gonehunting]

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Is it magnetic? If so your chance of it being a meteorite increases.

dont know but GOOD LUCK!

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

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I know very little about the subject, to it looks like a meteorite to me. I wish you good luck.

 

[odave]

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Right Color ...looks good Hope You got one

 

[Tuberale]

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Unless you get it tested, it cannot be confirmed to be a meteorite. The testing is free, BTW, and no longer eats up large portions of the rock itself.

Another thing. While meteorite prices continue to increase ($10,000/lb.), space debris has little value unless you can confirm what satellite it came from. Testing will tell you the difference.

If you need a testing source (reputable, reliable) let me know.

 

[Tuberale]

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If this is a meteorite, the reddish oxidation on the surface indicates it's been there a long time, over 50 years probably.

Some things you can do to test this yourself:

1. Does it contain iron? Is a magnet attracted to it?
2. Does it have regmaglympts? Passage of a meteorite through the Earth's atmosphere causes extreme friction, that creates these features that look like dimples on a golf ball, sometimes referred to as thumprints.
3. Is it heavy for its size? Iron-nickel meteorites are like finding a lump of stainless steel.
4. Does it contain nickel? After taking detailed photographs of all surfaces, try using a steel file to get a few shavings off it, and test for the presence of nickel. Most college geology department can do that test. If it doesn't contain at least some nickel, its probably NOT a meteorite.
5. Take it to a meteorite specialist or someone in a local college that offers geology classes. It has been suggested that every square mile of land surface has a meteorite strike of every 10,000 years. That means meteorites should not be rare. However, if the meteorite is not found on private property, the stone does not belong to the finder, but to the government. Soo ... was this found on private property? Legal precedent for this is the legal history of the Willamette Meteorite, a stone which did not fall in Oregon. Ellis Hughes found the stone on land belonging to Oregon Iron Works about 2 miles NW of Willamette Falls, about 15 miles from where I'm sitting. The courts originally awarded the rock to Oregon Iron Works, which promptly sold it after displaying it for some time at the Lewis & Clark Exposition in Portland, Oregon in 1902. Eventually it was donated to the American Museum of Natural History. But just recently, the courts have awarded possession of this 13.5-ton meteorite to the Grand Rondes, as it was used for upper Chinook's for religious purposes, and the last of the Chinooks were absorbed into the Grand Ronde Reservation. In October, 2007, a 19.5-lb. chunk of Willamette was pulled from public auction in New York City with only 2 bids, each of $300,000. The owner wanted $1.1 to $1.3 million for the stone. Owner of the chunk had traded a piece of either a Martian or Lunar meteorite to get the chunk of the Willamette Meteorite. But the museum wasn't entitled to the stone to begin with, according to the Native American Graves and Repatriation Act. So, meteorites are currently worth in the neighborhood of $10,000 per pound, and you better be sure to find them on private property.

This is definately a case of finders not always keepers!

 

[jeff of pa]

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Nice Find !

I keep all I Find also.

Will only get mine tested if I Come accross
a local Expert.

 

[detectahead]

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I'm not an expert but, it would be worth your while to look into it.

 

[Silver Surfer]

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OMG, the Indians can also claim Meteorites? You got to be kidding me?!?!
How much you want to bet that if they were worthless, they wouldnt be claimed as "Religious Artifacts"?
Those tribal issues are probably the one biggest thing (BS) I dont miss about home...
Any meteorite I was lucky enough to find would be "found" on my own property, guaranteed...
Let us know what you find out!

 

[bigcreekdad]

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I'm new to this, so pardon the question, but why would meteorites be valuable? Just very rare?

 

[LuckyDragon]

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If it's magnetic it could be magnetic ore look online for magnetic ores.
http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/naturenet/291850/magnetic-minerals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite
I hope this help you.

 

[Tuberale]

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OMG, the Indians can also claim Meteorites? You got to be kidding me?!?!
How much you want to bet that if they were worthless, they wouldnt be claimed as "Religious Artifacts"?
Those tribal issues are probably the one biggest thing (BS) I dont miss about home...
Any meteorite I was lucky enough to find would be "found" on my own property, guaranteed...
Let us know what you find out!

Not "can". "Have". And the decision was from the US Supreme Court. Unlikely to be overturned.

In court documents, the stone was claimed to be their "tomawanassas", which, translated freely from the Chinook, means either "Sky Visitor" or "Messenger of the Gods", whichever seems more appropriate at the time. The Chinook during the reign of Chief Comconolly saw an unusual period of prosperity and peace. When asked about this, Comconolly pointed up the hillside to a large rock, and said "As long as that rock stands, my people will have peace." Apparently that rock was their "tomawanassas" as well. It struck the hillside during Comconolly's lifetime, and was reported in the book "Astoria" by Washington Irving. Interestingly, the stone stood until a week before Comconolly died of either Smallpox or possibly malaria about 1851. A week before he died, the neighboring Tillamook tribe rowed across the Columbia River in mass, climbed the hillside, and dug the rock out of where it fell, then toppled it down the hillside. It may well be as large or larger than the Willamette Meteorite, and certainly was an object of great veneration of the Chinookian people.

 

[LuckyDragon]

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How can a meterite be magnetic?
you would think there is some radiation in that peace.
hey I got a CD issue survey meter it might make my meter tick! LOL

 

[jeff of pa]

Re: Meteorite or "Meteorwrong"?

OMG, the Indians can also claim Meteorites? You got to be kidding me?!?!
How much you want to bet that if they were worthless, they wouldnt be claimed as "Religious Artifacts"?
Those tribal issues are probably the one biggest thing (BS) I dont miss about home...
Any meteorite I was lucky enough to find would be "found" on my own property, guaranteed...
Let us know what you find out!

Not "can". "Have". And the decision was from the US Supreme Court. Unlikely to be overturned.

In court documents, the stone was claimed to be their "tomawanassas", which, translated freely from the Chinook, means either "Sky Visitor" or "Messenger of the Gods", whichever seems more appropriate at the time. The Chinook during the reign of Chief Comconolly saw an unusual period of prosperity and peace. When asked about this, Comconolly pointed up the hillside to a large rock, and said "As long as that rock stands, my people will have peace." Apparently that rock was their "tomawanassas" as well. It struck the hillside during Comconolly's lifetime, and was reported in the book "Astoria" by Washington Irving. Interestingly, the stone stood until a week before Comconolly died of either Smallpox or possibly malaria about 1851. A week before he died, the neighboring Tillamook tribe rowed across the Columbia River in mass, climbed the hillside, and dug the rock out of where it fell, then toppled it down the hillside. It may well be as large or larger than the Willamette Meteorite, and certainly was an object of great veneration of the Chinookian people.

Hocus Pocus aside;

"It struck the hillside during Comconolly's lifetime, and was reported in the book "Astoria" by Washington Irving."

if Comconolly was a real person &
If this is true, Comconolly Could have claimed it,
so rightfully it's his & whoever he waned to have it after.

So in that case it makes sense.
that nobody can take it.

 

[Tuberale]

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How can a meterite be magnetic?
you would think there is some radiation in that peace.
hey I got a CD issue survey meter it might make my meter tick! LOL

Got to get terms straight first. Meterite is unknown to me.

Meteors are rocks that travel thru space. A meteor that strikes a planet becomes a meteorite. Meter is a measure of time in music. I don't know what your "CD issue survey meter it might make my meter tick" above is. I'm certain I don't want to know.

Iron-nickel meteorites contain about 95% iron and around 5% nickel: chemically close to stainless steel. Iron-nickel meteorites are believed to be the same material found near the center of the earth, and possibly some other planets.

Meteors are fast. 10,000mph is not unusual in a meteor. The 1939 Washougal, WA meteor was estimated traveling 130,000mph before it struck the Earth and became the Washougal, Washington meteorite.

If you take a steel bar and strike it hard with a sledgehammer, you create a weak magnet. The harder the strike, the stronger the magnet AND the longer the material remains magnetized.

 

[LuckyDragon]

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This reminds of SciFi story I heard on the radio!
a guy found a hand size metorite after it cooled
he pick it up and took it home and cracked it open whith his hammer.
and what came out was gray ugly head and it grew large and took over people minds
and ate people. LOL .. Am I scaring you yet.
but you would think that it must have pick some radioactivy on it way down from earth...

 

[Tuberale]

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Hocus Pocus aside;

"It struck the hillside during Comconolly's lifetime, and was reported in the book "Astoria" by Washington Irving."

if Comconolly was a real person &
If this is true, Comconolly Could have claimed it,
so rightfully it's his & whoever he waned to have it after.

So in that case it makes sense.
that nobody can take it.


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Comconolly is an important historical figure in the State of Washington's history. Native Americans had few rights then. Even into the 1800's, marriages between Native Americans and whites were not recognized legally.

 

[Tuberale]

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I'm new to this, so pardon the question, but why would meteorites be valuable? Just very rare?

Rarely found on earth. Time and oxidation erode them fairly quickly. Some types of meteorite degrade within a few years, such as Howardite.

The only other place where meteorites can be found are on other planets without much oxygen. That leaves the Moon. Know how much it costs to send a man to the Moon and back?

 

[EagleDown]

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OMG, the Indians can also claim Meteorites? You got to be kidding me?!?!
How much you want to bet that if they were worthless, they wouldnt be claimed as "Religious Artifacts"?

Quite the contrary SS. There are many things among tribes that have religious meanings. MOST of them have no commercial value. Certain rock outcrops might have religious connotations due to the shape, or perhaps a significant happening, perhaps thousands of years ago.

Personally, I don't understand all of the ways of the white man, but I respect the fact that they are his ways and should not be denigrated.

Here's a for instance; The Indian had no use for gold, so if he saw a large nugget in a stream, he left it there. That I can understand, you can't eat or wear it, (other than an ornament,) and it was too soft to use as a tool, so what good was it to them.

Many people have spent their entire lives searching for gold and died as paupers, buried in "Boot Hill". And why?? Gold is not rare. As a matter of fact, the Colorado Book of Mining and Geology states that even though TONS of gold were taken out of California during the 19th century gold rush, what was taken out only represents approximately 10% of the gold of CA. That means that approximately 90% of California's gold remains in the rivers and hills. So, why do people revere it so much. And yet, whole nations have been obliterated in order to get their gold.

Perhaps the Indians thought that it was BS when the white man came in and said, "Ya'll gotta move to another res. now, cause we'uns want the gold ya'll are camping on". (lol)

But, I do agree with you on one point, if I find a meteorite, I'll find it on private property!! Peace Brother......