UPDATE: 1789 Counterstamped Half Reale ... Rare IV over III!!!

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UPDATE: SEE IRON PATCHES REPLY BELOW SHOWING THE PAGE FROM THE KRAUSE'S GUIDE!!!


The temps were supposed to approach 90 today, but I was seeing overcast skies out my window. After torrential downpours over the last two days, I thought the wet conditions would make it a good day to get out and detect; at least until it got too unbearably hot.

So I got my equipment together and got my Dunkin Donuts coffe and headed to my favorite site. I said to myself "today is the day I am going to find Spanish Silver." No lie. I really did. I could just feel it.

I worked areas that I have already worked and dug a few deep buttons. Then I got a very low whisper. I pinpointed and got a depth of 9 inches on my display, but no VDI or tone. I scrubbed the ground with the coil and got a little chirp. Usually this turns out to be deep iron, but I don't take chances at this site. I dug a nice sized plug and it was still in the hole. I was able to get a strong signal with my Garrett Pro Pointer, so I knew I could safely dig a deeper plug under the target with my Lesche.

Once I got it out, it gave the nice high VDI of a coin. I could not make out much, but I saw enough detail to guess what I had found.

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The "NG" mint mark is from the Nueva Guatemala mint. It is my understanding that Half Reales are scarce from this mint. And the HS Counterstamp makes this even more special.

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UPDATE: As I was looking closely at my find, I noticed a die variation. The IV appears to be stamped over III. SEE IRON PATCHES REPLY BELOW SHOWING THE PAGE FROM THE KRAUSE'S GUIDE!!!

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Beauty of a coin Neil.. Been a while since any spanish has turned up down here.. Glad to see a great one posted.. Thats certainly one of the better this year that have been posted.
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

very nice find! Spanish silver isn't that common...especially with a counter stamp. Congrats!
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Congratulation's Neil.....I bet you looked like this dude :o when you dug it......Very cool find :thumbsup:
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

PressedTrousers said:
I'll take any coin holed, I know many won't, but you know it's special enough that someone years ago thought it was. I've found Roman ones, French, German, wouldn't trade them for the world. Congrats!

I heard or read somewhere that the coins were hold then strung together or actually sewn into clothing so they would not be lost...I guess it did not always work. When were pockets invented??

Neil,
Great find...you have to love being in NJ. So much history. Congrats.
NJ

(The HS are the initials of what Neil said when he found this coin... :wink:)
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

N.J.THer said:
PressedTrousers said:
I'll take any coin holed, I know many won't, but you know it's special enough that someone years ago thought it was. I've found Roman ones, French, German, wouldn't trade them for the world. Congrats!

I heard or read somewhere that the coins were hold then strung together or actually sewn into clothing so they would not be lost...I guess it did not always work. When were pockets invented??

Neil,
Great find...you have to love being in NJ. So much history. Congrats.
NJ

(The HS are the initials of what Neil said when he found this coin... :wink:)

Haha! I would guess that more likely this was holed for convenience (sewn into clothes, etc. ) and not as a token worn around the neck. The other Spanish Silver found at the site by my friend Dale was also holed. This was a busy spot back in the day and there were many travelers passing through.
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

No doubt that made your day when it came out of the hole! :icon_thumright:

Congrats! :hello2:
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Nice find! Very common to have holed Guatemalan coins but finding them is a different story. What I mean is guatemalan coins are often holed.
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Neil, that countermarked half real is top-notch! You deserved that one big time!
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Nice find! :thumbsup: :)

I thought you were done detecting for the season. :laughing7:

Good thing you weren't!!
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Nice one Neil! Try some research on the counterstamp ID. Awesome! :headbang: :headbang:
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Very cool find. Way better than your average dug real. :thumbsup:

Here's the closest my book comes. Unfortunately there is no picture, and does not mention about the stamp being in a rectangle, so I'm not sure if it's the same one.
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Great find Neil. I don't believe i've ever seen a counterstamped spanish silver in my group. That's a great day for you and congratulations for success in calling your shot. :thumbsup:
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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Great looking coin Neal! :icon_thumright:
 

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Great find! I gotta find some colonial sites here in NJ, it's not that easy.
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

"Shown is a 1789 half real from the Nueva Guatemala mint, of a type struck 1789-90. In 1776, an earthquake demolished Antigua Guatemala (including the mint) and a new city was built some miles away. To mark the move, the mintmark was changed to "NG" ("Nueva Guatemala", still the capital of Guatemala) on all issues of 1777 and after. Assayer "M" is noted for the years 1785-1821. Harris[1] notes that half reales of Guatemala are scarce compared to the larger denominations. The bust is of Charles III, who died in 1788, but uses Charles IV's name."
Source: http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/Guatemala_1789-NG_M_1/2_real

No mention made about the counterstamp in this citation.
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Iron Patch said:
Very cool find. Way better than your average dug real. :thumbsup:

Here's the closest my book comes. Unfortunately there is no picture, and does not mention about the stamp being in a rectangle, so I'm not sure if it's the same one.


I don't think it's the same stamp having just seen an SH on a large cent. Still worth trying to figure out though.
 

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Re: 1789 Half Reale ... Counterstamped!

Nice find Neil, that's the first time I've seen that mintmark.
 

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