Gold 1780 United Netherlands Trade Ducat

[steelheadwill]

Gold 1780 United Netherlands 'HOL' Ducat

Hi all,
Started searching filled area at base of a bridge, lots of penny hits, got what I think may be another state cent ( smaller than a George HP),
Turned a clump of mud, found a modern penny, scanned the pile again,
peeled it open and the Sun Just Shined !
Bright as the day it was milled, 1780 Netherlands Ducat, Many with 'TRA' above sword sent to Ceylon for spice payments, This one with 'HOL' was intended for local use. Maybe I'll go back today......
HH everyone
Dutch Colonial - Holland Trade Ducat

 

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[allen]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

I knew that gorgeous gold would make the banner !!

 

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[peanut]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

That is awesome! Congrats on the banner
peanut

 

[bubbas]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

great Find

it is a Holland, United Netherlands, ducat, 1780

(what is a Ceylon Trade Ducat ??) i dont think thats the right name ?

the Latin legend “CONCORDIA.RES PAR.CRES.HOL” expands to ( Concordia Res Parvae Crescunt Hollandiae,) which translates as “Through unity little things grow – Holland” (Union is strength !

Reverse: Latin legend - MO:ORD PROVIN FOEDER BELG.AD LEG.IMP. expands to (MOneta ORDinum PROVINciarum FOEDERatorum BELGicarum AD LEGem IMPerii)
which translates “Coin of the Provinces of the United Netherlands According To The Law of The Empire !

the Weight of a Ducat , is 3,5 grams (excact)

and the ducat is made off 98,6 % pure gold

i have found two ducat,s in holland ( but thats in holland) in Ceylon is very special

congratulations with this great find

greatings from Bubbas

 

[gmanlight]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

How did i miss that. ?

 

[HCW]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

Why isn't this on the banner yet with those other golds?

 

[elee]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

Steelheadwill; I am from your neck of the woods..we probably hunt the same places, as well as fish the same places. That is one sweet coin! Congratulations...I am highly jealous. By the way..I have a boat in Great Bay..if you ever want to fish or hunt, pm me.
ELee

 

[traverdog]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

that's a nice surprise find.

 

[HISPAN]

Re: Gold 1780 United Netherlands Ducat

I missed this Banner .... incredible coin !!

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

A GREAT coin and in GREAT condition1 How did you clean it? Breezie

Thanks Breezie,
Was dug from saltwater mud, as shiny as seen in pix, thought it was a plastic token til I picked it up

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: Gold 1780 United Netherlands Ducat

I missed this Banner .... incredible coin !!

Thanks Hispan,
Those are great words from a finder of many 'Incredible Coins!'

 

[woody50]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

great Find
it is a Holland, United Netherlands, ducat, 1780
(what is a Ceylon Trade Ducat ??) i dont think thats the right name ?
greatings from Bubbas

Yes a Trade Ducat is the correct name, this one was sent to Ceylon I suppose. Many coins produced at that time were only for trade, mostly for the VOC. Were not coins that went into the normal circulation. In fact most gold coins back then were for trade (large trade). You did not go to a store with a gold coin to buy shoes.

Look here:
http://www.usagold.com/gold/coins/netherlands-ducat.html

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

great Find
it is a Holland, United Netherlands, ducat, 1780
(what is a Ceylon Trade Ducat ??) i dont think thats the right name ?
greatings from Bubbas

Yes a Trade Ducat is the correct name, this one was sent to Ceylon I suppose. Many coins produced at that time were only for trade, mostly for the VOC. Were not coins that went into the normal circulation. In fact most gold coins back then were for trade (large trade). You did not go to a store with a gold coin to buy shoes.

Look here:
http://www.usagold.com/gold/coins/netherlands-ducat.html

Thanks Woody,
this was a long issued coin, with coins from 1603-1793,
I remember back when I found it, I had some difficulty finding web info.
there is some, but most Netherlands Ducats listed are the post 1793 design.
It is far from rare, I was rather disappointed to see the values.
But to me, searching in mud up to my knees, mostly finding toasted copper & whatsits,
"PRICELESS'

 

[woody50]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

great Find
it is a Holland, United Netherlands, ducat, 1780
(what is a Ceylon Trade Ducat ??) i dont think thats the right name ?
greatings from Bubbas

Yes a Trade Ducat is the correct name, this one was sent to Ceylon I suppose. Many coins produced at that time were only for trade, mostly for the VOC. Were not coins that went into the normal circulation. In fact most gold coins back then were for trade (large trade). You did not go to a store with a gold coin to buy shoes.

Look here:
http://www.usagold.com/gold/coins/netherlands-ducat.html

Thanks Woody,
this was a long issued coin, with coins from 1603-1793,
I remember back when I found it, I had some difficulty finding web info.
there is some, but most Netherlands Ducats listed are the post 1793 design.
It is far from rare, I was rather disappointed to see the values.
But to me, searching in mud up to my knees, mostly finding toasted copper & whatsits,
"PRICELESS'

I agree with you completely about the priceless. I have found 9 gold coins so far, the oldest was from the year 60, a small priceless thing. Some others from 1100 to 1500. I have never looked up a price for the coins, does not interest me at all. They are ALL rare, people always say yes I want to know the price to see if its rare or not, no, All gold coins are rare. (you don't find them in your change).

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Sorry I missed this one Herbie, congrats on your making the Banner with it too!

How are you making out sorting through all those coin rolls, any keepers there?

Have a great weekend buddy!

Dave

 

[steelheadwill]

Sorry I missed this one Herbie, congrats on your making the Banner with it too!

How are you making out sorting through all those coin rolls, any keepers there?

Have a great weekend buddy!

Dave

Greetings Dave,
I'm surprised to have this post back up top again!
I've had 3 'Weak in the knees' finds, this was my second, and only about two months into my detecting career.
I am experiencing the find all over again, Thought it was a Cracker Jack token when I first saw it, then picked it up, & here come the knees & stomach feeling, it may have been a little different than finding a gold in dry earth where the coins surface is obscured, it was shiny as can be, the size of a nickel, and wafer thin.
I put my detector on the dock, (people had been within feet of this coin daily since it was lost) & went up the beach to my friends house, (I originally started searching this area looking for a ring she lost many years ago) ,
"Jaynelookatthiscoinits1780andIdontknowwhereitsfrombutitsgoldanditlooksbrandnew" I was literally panting. I'm posting the cellphone pic when I put it back on the mudpile, I can't say that I was able to take a 'in situ', but this is about 5 minutes 'post situ' and on the original pile.
In the following weeks I excavated a foot or so of mud from the surrounding area
to see if there was any more to be found, one is what I was granted and I'm very happy with that. there is a gravel layer about a foot under the mud that stops everything anyway, I'm sure this is the reason i've made so many mud finds here.
without the gravel, everything would sink below detectable levels.
I am trembling a bit now, even after all this time remembering this find.
Oh, about the Cent rolls, I've made a master list of good dates, and separated about half of the coins into decade piles.
Now I've learned that finding errors are where I'm most likely to make a good find than just a rare date, a small cud on one can turn a 15c coin into a $20 coin (or more)
While just looking at dates , I've found 4 errors. They are posted in "My Best Finds",
'Show us your Best Error Coins' topic.
I will be searching these all winter I believe.
I'm gonna get another cup of coffee & calm down, it's 3:52 AM, had to get an early start today.
best to you & yours Dave

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

great Find
it is a Holland, United Netherlands, ducat, 1780
(what is a Ceylon Trade Ducat ??) i dont think thats the right name ?
greatings from Bubbas

Yes a Trade Ducat is the correct name, this one was sent to Ceylon I suppose. Many coins produced at that time were only for trade, mostly for the VOC. Were not coins that went into the normal circulation. In fact most gold coins back then were for trade (large trade). You did not go to a store with a gold coin to buy shoes.

Look here:
http://www.usagold.com/gold/coins/netherlands-ducat.html

Thanks Woody,
this was a long issued coin, with coins from 1603-1793,
I remember back when I found it, I had some difficulty finding web info.
there is some, but most Netherlands Ducats listed are the post 1793 design.
It is far from rare, I was rather disappointed to see the values.
But to me, searching in mud up to my knees, mostly finding toasted copper & whatsits,
"PRICELESS'

I agree with you completely about the priceless. I have found 9 gold coins so far, the oldest was from the year 60, a small priceless thing. Some others from 1100 to 1500. I have never looked up a price for the coins, does not interest me at all. They are ALL rare, people always say yes I want to know the price to see if its rare or not, no, All gold coins are rare. (you don't find them in your change).

Hello Woody,
I just browsed through some of your posts, I remember reading your story about the coins you found as a youngster, & the candy store owner who was happy to accept them.
One of the best posts I've read!
I thoroughly enjoy your knowledgeable and entertaining replies.
Congrats on the Gold coins you've found.
Those are some early Treasures!
Good day & Best digs to You!

 

[woody50]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

Hello Woody,
I just browsed through some of your posts, I remember reading your story about the coins you found as a youngster, & the candy store owner who was happy to accept them.
One of the best posts I've read!
I thoroughly enjoy your knowledgeable and entertaining replies.
Congrats on the Gold coins you've found.
Those are some early Treasures!
Good day & Best digs to You!

Hi Herbie

Thanks for your message. Yea, the coins in the tin can were one of the things that just stays with you. I had actually almost forgot about it until I started metal detecting, then it came back. Had luck with gold coins, found all but 2 in Holland. In 2009 I found my first in England, after searching there for 14 years, and last year another of the exact same coin, other date, but 10 miles apart. That is wierd too.

Have not been hunting much since November, freezing, cold, snow. But now its warmed up, but rain rain rain... you never win.

Thanks for enjoying some of my messages.... Did you ever read the story in the Searcher, May 09? About the ground out of the center of Amsterdam?

 

[Iskuli]

totally awesome

 

[bubbas]

Re: GOLD 1780 NETHERLANDS / CEYLON TRADE DUCAT

great Find
it is a Holland, United Netherlands, ducat, 1780
(what is a Ceylon Trade Ducat ??) i dont think thats the right name ?
greatings from Bubbas

Yes a Trade Ducat is the correct name, this one was sent to Ceylon I suppose. Many coins produced at that time were only for trade, mostly for the VOC. Were not coins that went into the normal circulation. In fact most gold coins back then were for trade (large trade). You did not go to a store with a gold coin to buy shoes.

Look here:
http://www.usagold.com/gold/coins/netherlands-ducat.html

hi Woody

i have checkt en you are wright , that they also call them trade ducat (outside holland).


greatings from bubbas

 

[scaupus]

i hope its not too weird adding a note 3 years later, but I found out that the Netherlands was still producing the same coin, in gold, at least as late as 1928. That is a very long run for a coin, especially a gold coin.