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Dec 04, 2010, 08:06 AM
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3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
All found at same site.
Lead casting happened here, found hundreds of mackeral jigs, net & fishing weights,
slag hunks everywhere, & a 30 lb stamped Chadwick ingot.
The piece found yesterday was folded, figured it was a slug used for fishing weight.
When I cleaned it, I saw some detail & pried it open, voila, reverse inside,
wreath & 'One Cent', Wreath resembles Draped style, which is one of the earlier ones I found, the other one is a George 11-111.
The weights on all are all wrong. (over), They are very poor copies.
I think they were producing these right here.
Good Day & HH to All!
2013 Finds:
Iron, Lead, Aluminum, Pewter, Copper, Silver, Gold.
R-6 Coins Recovered since 3-2010:
1640-54 Portugal Johannes IV 400 Reis, Undated and non revaluation example.
1652 Oak Shilling, Noe-3.
1652 Oak Three Pence, Noe-28.
1722 'Vtile Dvlci' Rosa Half Penny, Breen 132. He called it "Woods first prototype HP".
1796 US Half Cent, No Pole.
More to Come....
www.pinetreeshillings.com
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Dec 04, 2010 08:06 AM
# ADS
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Dec 04, 2010, 08:15 AM
#2
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
They are cool too find
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Dec 04, 2010, 08:51 AM
#3
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
That is really neat to find them at one site, and you are probably correct that it might have been the site where they were made, hope another one or two are found there! 
Don
"The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
For undug coins this is true. For dug coins this is untrue.
The value will increase with judicious cleaning."
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Dec 04, 2010, 09:46 AM
#4
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
Interesting!
The lead has corroded over time, so the originals were probably better.
Imagine a counterfeit cent. Things are getting so bad now, it probably wouldn't pay to run ones out of the printer........... 
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." — Friedrich Nietzsche
"You ask where I live. I cannot tell you. I am a Voyageur, a Chicot, sir. I live everywhere. My grandfather was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. My father was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. I will also die while en route, and another Chicot will take my place. Such is our course of life."
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Dec 04, 2010, 03:55 PM
#5
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
I love it when the finds tell the story of the activities of the earlier generations at a site ! Especially the illegal undocumented activities of our ansesters ! I hope you find some more evidence to prove your theory ! Good post and finds ! MaineRelic
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Dec 04, 2010, 09:46 PM
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Dec 04, 2010, 10:09 PM
#7
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
2013 large coppers 17 * silvers 2- IH's 9 -1 gold ring 5 GW's
2012 large coppers 92 * SILVERS 33 * IH'S 28 1 GW button
2011 large coppers 80 3/4*SILVERS 49* IH'S 73 2 GW's
2010 large coppers 34 1 GW button
4-WHITE'S MACHINES- XLT, SILVER EAGLE, EAGLE SPECTRUM & BEACH HUNTER ID-300.GARRETT PRO POINTER
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Dec 04, 2010, 11:24 PM
#8
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
That is a very cool find. Glad you caught it. I found a lead quarter one time,lol. Gives new meaning to "Get the lead out".
HH
TnMtns
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Dec 05, 2010, 03:31 AM
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 donadagohvi
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
May the Lord watch.
Between me and thee.
While we are absent.
One from the other.
Amen!
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Dec 05, 2010, 08:22 AM
#10
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
 Originally Posted by Antiquarian
As always, very interesting finds Herbie!
So, tell me . . . how do you find all this great stuff anyway? 
Are you psychic, do you talk to the spirits of our ancestors . . .
or are you just a great metal detectorist!
Cheers buddy,
Dave
Thanks to all who replied!
Dave, I just dig almost everything that beeps.
It's more the sites than the skills I believe.
I have attempted short hunts at 2 promising foundations, & 2 early 1700s homesites, and just can't seem to read much through all the ferrous junk, I read a recent post that said 'anyone can find things at a 'clean' site, it's the hunters who can scan through the iron that get the finds'
I mostly hunt coastal areas from Mass to Maine, and often at a new rockpile or old boatyard, there will be finds sitting visible on the surface, though the price for hunting here is getting a lot of toasted items.
I have been practicing my patience with scanning slower & digging deeper hits that have questionable readings, with some success.
Coming to the end of my first season enjoying this hobby/obsession,
I am striving to increase my patience and skill.
I've been very fortunate in my first year, and I am grateful to the members of treasurenet for all your responses and help with ID's 
Best wishes to You All & Great Digs!
2013 Finds:
Iron, Lead, Aluminum, Pewter, Copper, Silver, Gold.
R-6 Coins Recovered since 3-2010:
1640-54 Portugal Johannes IV 400 Reis, Undated and non revaluation example.
1652 Oak Shilling, Noe-3.
1652 Oak Three Pence, Noe-28.
1722 'Vtile Dvlci' Rosa Half Penny, Breen 132. He called it "Woods first prototype HP".
1796 US Half Cent, No Pole.
More to Come....
www.pinetreeshillings.com
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Dec 05, 2010, 05:21 PM
#11
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
 Originally Posted by steelheadwill
 Originally Posted by Antiquarian
As always, very interesting finds Herbie!
So, tell me . . . how do you find all this great stuff anyway? 
Are you psychic, do you talk to the spirits of our ancestors . . .
or are you just a great metal detectorist!
Cheers buddy,
Dave
Thanks to all who replied!
Dave, I just dig almost everything that beeps.
It's more the sites than the skills I believe.
I have attempted short hunts at 2 promising foundations, & 2 early 1700s homesites, and just can't seem to read much through all the ferrous junk, I read a recent post that said 'anyone can find things at a 'clean' site, it's the hunters who can scan through the iron that get the finds'
I mostly hunt coastal areas from Mass to Maine, and often at a new rockpile or old boatyard, there will be finds sitting visible on the surface, though the price for hunting here is getting a lot of toasted items.
I have been practicing my patience with scanning slower & digging deeper hits that have questionable readings, with some success.
Coming to the end of my first season enjoying this hobby/obsession,
I am striving to increase my patience and skill.
I've been very fortunate in my first year, and I am grateful to the members of treasurenet for all your responses and help with ID's 
Best wishes to You All & Great Digs!
Thanks very much for sharing your hunting experience in such detail with us all Herbie.
It means a lot to guys like me that have only been metal detecting as a hobby for 7 months.
As you mentioned, patience is the key and slowing down the swing to hear those faint signals. 
Cheers,
Dave
I'm passionate about hunting relic sites . . . as I feel the imprint of past lives often lingers there!
Metal Detectorists finds . . . are the background noise of antiquity!
Don't question it . . . just dig it!
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Dec 05, 2010, 07:45 PM
#12
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
105 Quarters
240 Dimes
104 Nickels
1612 Pennies
6 Mercury
2 Indian head
1 Baffalo nickel
1 Dollar bill
1 Eisenhower Dollar
1 Walking Liberty
1 Silver Quarter
1 Sacagawea Dollar
$75.99/2010
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Dec 05, 2010, 07:56 PM
#13
Re: 3rd Cast Lead Counterfeit
I want to know did you carry the 30 lb weight / ingot home ?
There are a lot of toasty oldies in fields around here too.
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