Extremely Rare pale gold Tremissis Dorestad (Madelinus) 680-700 a.d.(New Photos)

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Found this tiny pale gold coin in bad condition with a bunch of other stuff on what I think was a virgin field, so many finds in a short time.

Other finds was a old thimble (beehive, cast); a neat little toy (tin); a hanger; nice little silver buckle with a heart on it; a hanger; pair other silver coins and a bunch of copper/bronze coins. Everything in not so good condition, I had to find that stuff years ago. (found yesterday in Holland).

There was also on the field a deep well (bricks)! Never seen anything like that in a field. Dangerous for the night hawkers for sure. No house close by, and did not see any relics that would show that a house or building was removed, everything was clean. Deep well too, just in the soil, they plow right over it! Photos see below.

About the well, it is very good that we are always looking at the ground is it not??? Just imagine if you did not look at that moment!

I received an determination today from a curator:
"This is pale gold tremissis or silver denarius of the Dorestad moneyer Madelinus, or an imitation of the type produced in Frisia or the Meuse region."

My only question about this determination is that Dorestad was located IN Frisia. Made and imitated in the same place. Could be.
A second determination was made and agrees with Martin's findings.
The same coin is shown here: http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=1852533
(Thanks to CRU for searching and finding it!)

Was back on the field today, the farmer was starting to seed it. Did not find much, coins and one silver.... (I guess I am too good of a detectorist, I did not leave anything for the next searcher (which happened to be me!).
 

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Re: Tiny silver coin

You have some oldies there for sure! Very nice.
 

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Re: Tiny silver coin

:o you sure did very well :icon_thumleft: the bee hive thimble is a beauty . Congrats on a Great Hunt :thumbsup: dawg
 

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Re: Tiny silver coin

Very nice Earl! The silver looks a bit special and the thimble's a cracker :notworthy:
 

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Re: Tiny silver coin

Pretty sure that used to be gold plated, looks like a Saxon Gold Thymus circa 5-7th C AD :o
 

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Re: Tiny silver coin

:hello2: :hello2: Brilliant silver - can we see the other side? John. :thumbsup:
 

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Re: Tiny silver coin

:hello:

It looks like a a very Crude or Copy of a Continental Sceat, the letters on the legend look to modern and not crude enough, still a very nice find. Along with the outhers :icon_thumleft:

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Silver Searcher said:
:hello:

It looks like a a very Crude or Copy of a Continental Sceat, the letters on the legend look to modern and not crude enough, still a very nice find. Along with the outhers :icon_thumleft:

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never thought of that, I thought he was still in the UK :laughing9: The edges are weird, but there still maybe hope :-\
 

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john hutchison said:
:hello2: :hello2: Brilliant silver - can we see the other side? John. :thumbsup:
Hi John, the other side is shown also, but maybe the photo is too large. I will make it smaller. I have a wide large monitor and forget sometimes. Thanks.
 

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CRUSADER said:
Silver Searcher said:
:hello:

It looks like a a very Crude or Copy of a Continental Sceat, the letters on the legend look to modern and not crude enough, still a very nice find. Along with the outhers :icon_thumleft:

SS

never thought of that, I thought he was still in the UK :laughing9: The edges are weird, but there still maybe hope :-\
:dontknow:

Just does'nt look right :dontknow:

SS
 

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birdman said:
You have some oldies there for sure! Very nice.
Thanks Birdman, you sure have some nice rings...!
 

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CMDiamonddawg said:
:o you sure did very well :icon_thumleft: the bee hive thimble is a beauty . Congrats on a Great Hunt :thumbsup: dawg
Thanks CMDiamonddawg (what a name!). Have to clean it up and then it will look better. Don't find many of those thick ones, my last was a few years back.
 

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shaun7 said:
Very nice Earl! The silver looks a bit special and the thimble's a cracker :notworthy:
Yea Shaun, not nice that the condition is horrible. But I don't mind, you almost never find them. And yes its a nice thimble.
How you doing, not heard much. Sorry that I don't get on this site much, just too many things to do.
 

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CRUSADER said:
Pretty sure that used to be gold plated, looks like a Saxon Gold Thymus circa 5-7th C AD :o
Funny I knew the coin was special the minute I saw it, just like you know its a gold coin. I don't think it was plated, the stuff you see is some sort of crap, still have to clean it up more. Funny that the one side shows the silver very good and the other side is dark. Guess it layed next to something. I am pretty sure either the field has not ever been searched, or the farmer plowed it very deep. Going back. There is a corn field next door, its going out soon.....
 

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Thanks guys for all the comments. Sorry to forget to say I found it here in Holland.
 

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WOODY50 said:
shaun7 said:
Very nice Earl! The silver looks a bit special and the thimble's a cracker :notworthy:
Yea Shaun, not nice that the condition is horrible. But I don't mind, you almost never find them. And yes its a nice thimble.
How you doing, not heard much. Sorry that I don't get on this site much, just too many things to do.



Not bad thanks Earl. Not getting out detecting much though :-\
 

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WOODY50 said:
CRUSADER said:
Pretty sure that used to be gold plated, looks like a Saxon Gold Thymus circa 5-7th C AD :o
Funny I knew the coin was special the minute I saw it, just like you know its a gold coin. I don't think it was plated, the stuff you see is some sort of crap, still have to clean it up more. Funny that the one side shows the silver very good and the other side is dark. Guess it layed next to something. I am pretty sure either the field has not ever been searched, or the farmer plowed it very deep. Going back. There is a corn field next door, its going out soon.....

I'm only going on first impressions, no research. It just looks like the Gold Thymus type coin, but you will soon get a better response :wink: Please update?
 

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CRUSADER said:
WOODY50 said:
CRUSADER said:
Pretty sure that used to be gold plated, looks like a Saxon Gold Thymus circa 5-7th C AD :o
Funny I knew the coin was special the minute I saw it, just like you know its a gold coin. I don't think it was plated, the stuff you see is some sort of crap, still have to clean it up more. Funny that the one side shows the silver very good and the other side is dark. Guess it layed next to something. I am pretty sure either the field has not ever been searched, or the farmer plowed it very deep. Going back. There is a corn field next door, its going out soon.....

I'm only going on first impressions, no research. It just looks like the Gold Thymus type coin, but you will soon get a better response :wink: Please update?
Hi Cru, yes it does look like those shown by Hammered, just looked. And I looked last night with the microscope and it does look like it has been gold plated after all, you were right. Of course its hard to say if that is 100% correct, but the gold color does not look like crud. Thanks.
 

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hammered said:
Great thimble :icon_thumleft:, as far as the coin goes :icon_scratch:, Byzantine according to my books, a Merovingian coin (tremisses), moneyer Madelinus, 680-700 AD, maybe :dontknow:
The link below has a gold version, I haven't found an exact copy in silver yet. Nice finds mate :thumbsup:
http://www.icollector.com/MEDIEVAL-...-Tremissis-moneyer-Madelinus-AV-1-25_i8745210
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Thanks Hammered, you appear to be correct, good searching! Like I mentioned to Cru, I looked last night and it does appear to be gold plated in the past. I don't know if they did create this coin in silver, could be of course. Then just take one of those, gold plate it and you have a gold coin. Made an comparison between the two coins, pretty darn close.
 

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