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    I like that little figure with the missing arm.

    very nice

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    Papa Bear wrote:
    > The head stamp on the casing, starting at the top around the percussion cap: R (top), 8 (right), F (bottom), 6 (left).

    The R designates the cartridge was intended for use in the Rifle version of the .45-70, instead of the Carbine version.
    The F designates it was manufactured at the Frankford Arsenal (Pennsylvania).
    The numbers on the left and right are the month and year of manufacture. There definitely was originally a second digit in the number on the right (for example, 82). As the number on the right is incomplete, all I can tell you is that your cartridge-casing was made in June of a year in the 1880s.

    > I am still curious about the two bullets that look over rammed. If anyone can confirm that,
    > I would appreciate it. Also, both bullets had 7 grooves of rifling on them.

    Having very closely examined many thousands of dropped, fired, "hard-rammed" and "pulled" minies during the past 30-something years, I am quite certain your guess is correct, those two minies are hard-rammed/over-rammed.

    You say one of them is a .54-caliber and the other is a .58-caliber. Did you measure them with Digital Calipers, of are you just making an approximate guess? I'm asking because we need super-precise measurements of their diameter to be certain about their caliber, and thus figure out which type of rifle your minies got rammed into.

    It's very odd for a Minie to have 7-groove rifling marks. As you already know, the hard-ramming means they were being used in a Muzzleloading firearm, not a Breechloader. The only 7-goove Muzzleloading .58-caliber in my rifling-lists is a Confederate rifle, made by the Dickson Nelson in Georgia.

    The .54 Perry Carbine had 7 goove rifling, but it is a Breechloader ...so, nobody would be ramming minies into one of those.

    Muzzleloading .54-caliber with 7 grooves are:
    USA Model 1804 Rifle
    USA Single-Shot Pistol, Model 1843

    Muzzleloading .56-caliber with 7 grooves:
    Bavarian Tige Rifle

    The .56 Colt Revolving Rifle technically is neither a Breechloader nor a "typical" Muzzleloader rifle. It had a cylinder, and a (very short) ramrod was used to load bullets into the front of the cylinder. So, the .56 Colt Revolving Rifle may be responsible for one of your hard-rammed/over-rammed minies.
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    Nice recoveries. I have hunted similar western sites and you should be close to some good buttons and insignia.

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    us
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    nice assortment of relics Papa Bear......... love the way ya set them up in a display case

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    Very nice finds for sure.

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    nov2101

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    I let the granddaughter keep the IH Penny and I have placed the majority of the items found at the old building site in a display case for the granddaughter seeing as she found most of them.
    A class act and nice finds.....

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    us
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