butt plate

[unclemac]

Any way to identify this old butt plate? No markings...found on a west coast beach where there has been continuous habitation from pre-contact days to the present.

 

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[CRUSADER]

need a few more different angle shots? & measurements

 

[unclemac]

here you go...

 

[CRUSADER]

Not sure....

Although that should give someone on here the clues they need?

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

not an expert but I have found 5 different military musket butt plates , two 1746 brass for Brown Bess rifles , one Model 1853 Enfield brass butt and trigger guard , two iron Model 1858 CW US Springfields . I would say yours is a , US Model 1803 .. military musket butt plate . Very nice find . HH

CMDdawg

 

[RiverRat3]

Nice find!

 

[Papa Bear]

Well done!!

 

[unclemac]

not an expert but I have found 5 different military musket butt plates , two 1746 brass for Brown Bess rifles , one Model 1853 Enfield brass butt and trigger guard , two iron Model 1858 CW US Springfields . I would say yours is a , US Model 1803 .. military musket butt plate . Very nice find . HH

now why would you say that? What leads you to think it is not from a more modern gun...I have no expertise in this area at all. The oddest thing about your answer is that it was found in an area not but a couple of miles from the furthest point north that the Lewis/Clark expedition traveled to...wouldn't THAT be nice (wishful thinking) and 1803 is a bit too convenient of a fit. How about trade musket?...anyone know about them? Found in SW Washington in an area that was a hot bed for HBC trade.

 

[jewelerguy]

cool find

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

modern .. nah , No knowledge where your located or any mention of L & C Expedition . So nothing wishful on my part you are searching for an id , you can agree or disagree with my opinion tell me I'm wrong or keep on reaching for answers and still not worry about a Thank You for the effort but I ' ll stay with my 1803 time frame .. hope you don't mind CMD

 

[unclemac]

modern .. nah , No knowledge where your located or any mention of L & C Expedition . So nothing wishful on my part you are searching for an id , you can agree or disagree with my opinion tell me I'm wrong or keep on reaching for answers and still not worry about a Thank You for the effort but I ' ll stay with my 1803 time frame .. hope you don't mind

no, I am saying wishful thinking on MY part. Is there something about the shape that clues you in to such an early date?

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

modern .. nah , No knowledge where your located or any mention of L & C Expedition . So nothing wishful on my part you are searching for an id , you can agree or disagree with my opinion tell me I'm wrong or keep on reaching for answers and still not worry about a Thank You for the effort but I ' ll stay with my 1803 time frame .. hope you don't mind

no, I am saying wishful thinking on MY part. Is there something about the shape that clues you in to such an early date?

hey uncle mac , you might try to research Lewis and Clark and see what weapons where used in the Expedition . Just an observation , it's hard to say without seeing the piece but to answer your question . affirmative , the shape, and mounting screw holes . Pic of an example of an 1803 made in Harpers Ferry , Va . Take note of the curve from the upper back down to the tail and the short horizontal stock mount . Width is similar to yours but not shown . Looks like a match . Do you agree ? Anyone else

 

[unclemac]

...What do you know.....

[h=2]Lewis and Clark Controversy[/h] The rifle was cited as being carried by Lewis and Clark on their expedition in a National Park Service pamphlet park-service by historian Carl P. Russell. He wrote that it is known ”that Lewis picked up some of the new Model 1803 rifles in preparation for the expedition."[SUP][4][/SUP] Since then there has been controversy over that statement. Some have claimed that none of the 1803 rifles would have been available, and that the expedition would have taken shortened U.S. Model 1792 or 1794 Contract Rifles.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] Others have claimed that the expedition took pre-production rifles, prototypes for the Model 1803[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP]. Still others think that the 1792 contract rifles that the expedition modified and took were the inspiration for the rifles that became the Model 1803[SUP][10][/SUP]

 

[unclemac]

how about an early Winchester?

 

[BuckleBoy]

you should keep in mind that M1803 muskets were also used much later than 1803.

I'm not convinced that is what it is, specifically, but my best guess is pre-percussion cap as well.

Best Wishes,

Buck