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    us
    Jun 2012
    Florida
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    Probably Our Most Significant Historical and Least Common Find

    Howdy All. We dug this on 04/14/12 at an 1880 farmhouse in Central Florida. We hunt several home and farm sites locally from the late 1800's to 1930's and find many of the same relics that I have seen posted on T-Net (harmonica pcs, ammo, makeup items, buckles, old glass, buttons, tack and car parts, coins, tokens, household goods, toys, tools, keys and locks, etc.) but I have yet to see anything posted like this relic.

    It was patented in on August 1, 1865 and was made by a leather goods manufaturer in based in France and NY City. At first I did not realize the siginificance of this item. Growing up in the south I have heard the term "carpet bagger" and "scalawag"... I believe this brass piece may have belonged to one! Carpet baggers and scalawags were southerners who immediately after the Cival War exploited the South in the name of reconstruction.

    The item pictured was a valise or carpet bag latch of that era. It was patented by Bernard Stienmetz on 8/1/1865, 108 days after Lincoln was assasinated at Fords Theater. It has (34) stars on one side, the same number of states in the Union from 1861 to 1863. While I don't know if it actually belonged to a carpet bagger and the dates are little off regarding the number of stars and states in the Union in 1865, I am convinced of both conclusions. (Can you blame me?)

    Patent US49207 - BERNARD STEINMETZ - Google Patents

    Incidentally we dug it one day shy of the 147th anniversary of Lincoln's assaination...far-out and solid huh?

    My wife thinks I going through a mid-life crisis but I can't seem to get enough of this hobby and finds like this make it worse. Thanks for the view and may the finds be with you.

    C9
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  2. #2
    us
    Feb 2012
    Mid-Tenn
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    Nice find!

  3. #3
    us
    Jun 2011
    Oklahoma
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    that's pretty cool!

  4. #4
    us
    Dec 2011
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    A nice piece of history and reminder to all that there was nothing civil about the War of Northern Aggression.....Well done!!
    Respect the research and permissions of others...Seriously...



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    Oct 2004
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    You may be aware the R. Neumann and Co. business and building in NY still existed as of just a few years ago--and may still. If they do, they may be able to shed more light on your find.
    Try: R. Newmann and Co.
    Description – Leather Goods Manufacturers
    Address –
    300 Observer Hwy, Hoboken, New Jersey ( NJ ) 07030-8410
    Telephone –
    (201) 659-3400
    Don.......

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    Jan 2009
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    Very cool find but the carpet baggers and skaliwags were from the North exploiting the South Sir haha. We were just protecting our women and children.
    Nice find c-9 and HH to ya.
    TnMtns

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    us
    Jun 2012
    Florida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnmountains View Post
    Very cool find but the carpet baggers and skaliwags were from the North exploiting the South Sir haha. We were just protecting our women and children.
    Nice find c-9 and HH to ya.
    TnMtns
    Hello Tnmountains. I stand corrected. I should have indicated that Carpetbaggers and Skalawags were opportunists mostly from the north not the south looking for easy gains to be made in the impoverished Confederate States...we still have them here...they are now called "politicians".

    Thanks for the correction to my typo. HH C9

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    Nice historicle find.

  9. #9
    us
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    Quote Originally Posted by cambria09 View Post
    Hello Tnmountains. I stand corrected. I should have indicated that Carpetbaggers and Skalawags were opportunists mostly from the north not the south looking for easy gains to be made in the impoverished Confederate States...we still have them here...they are now called "politicians".

    Thanks for the correction to my typo. HH C9
    Ok, this is far too important distinction not to get it right. A "Carpetbagger" was actually a person from the North who came to the South after the WBTS to take advantage of the decimated economy and impoverished Southerners. The earned their name because of the luggage bags they often carried - made from used carpets.

    A "Scalawag" was a whole different animal. This was a Southerner who supported Reconstruction after the WBTS, - even the most abusive aspects of it - for his own personal gain and advantage.
    "A land without ruins is a land without memories -- a land without memories is a land without history." ~ Rev. Abram Joseph Ryan, Poet Laureate of the Confederacy

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    Proud great-great grandson of three Confederate soldiers: John Meredith Crutchfield who served with the 60th Virginia, Maurice Coffey, & John McGann who both served with the 51st Virginia. Grandpa Crutchfield and Grandpa Coffey were both wounded and both served time in Yankee prisons.

  10. #10
    us
    Jun 2012
    Florida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Stonewall View Post
    Ok, this is far too important distinction not to get it right. A "Carpetbagger" was actually a person from the North who came to the South after the WBTS to take advantage of the decimated economy and impoverished Southerners. The earned their name because of the luggage bags they often carried - made from used carpets.

    A "Scalawag" was a whole different animal. This was a Southerner who supported Reconstruction after the WBTS, - even the most abusive aspects of it - for his own personal gain and advantage.
    Hello Old Stonewall. Dang I am corrected again. You are right this is too important to get wrong. Thanks for the clarification, I always thought that C-baggers and Salawags were one and the same. Thanks again and good hunting to you. C9

  11. #11
    us
    Do not forget me 24601

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    That's something I would have never thought of finding. Not that I'd find one in Indiana. Great bit of history.

  12. #12
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    Man I just love items like this ! Nice find, Congrats !!!!

  13. #13
    us
    Aug 2005
    Woodlawn, Texas
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    I like thinking that your latch came off while the carpetbagger was being beat on the head with it by an intended Southern victim! Noting the crack, it all fits nicely.
    "Have Garrett, Will Travel"

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    Mar 2010
    Florida
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    Here is an image from the US Patent and Trademark and Trademark Office.

    It is a bag lock, I looked it up by the Patent number

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    And here is the text that goes along with it




    edit! Haha! I just noticed the Google link you put in your original post. I feel like a dork.
    Last edited by Jess; Sep 03, 2012 at 05:51 PM.

 

 
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