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    ca
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    Did I Really Find a War of 1812 British Hat Badge Today!?


    I was on my way back from working a few days in Ottawa today and decided to stop for a quick 2hr hunt at a site where I've already had some success at finding War of 1812 relics! This site has been pounded to death by at least a half dozen others over the past 4 - 5 years, so I'm happy just to get any scrap of a relic they might have left behind! Well today it seems they left something really big for me to find! I found the large brass cruet stand base first, then the brass harness buckle. There was a ton of trash to get through on this area, so I took my time and dug anything that gave a solid non-ferrous reading, hence all of the trash.

    I then got a solid 85 - 86 at 8" and thought ... "wow this must be big" then out of the hole came the hat badge! I dropped down to my knees, knowing full well what I had just found and all I could say was OMG, OMG, OMG, please let this be real! I had to take a quite a number of insitue pictures, as all the pics were coming out blurry because my hands kept shaking.

    I will leave this to the experts here to help me I.D. exactly what this plate is. I can tell you that it's solid, heavy and still has some of the leather / felt on the back!

    Thanks for looking,
    Dave


    Update

    This piece is a Victorian Period (1837 - 1901) British Army Mounted Officer’s Breastplate/Martingale Badge

    "This is a general service pattern, pre-1902 martingale badge, which seems to have featured a Guelphic crown, perhaps in association with Prince Albert. They were worn across the horse's chest. This would have been worn on the chest of the horse held by three straps, two on either side of its flanks from beneath the saddle with a third, central strap, running beneath the horses' chest to the girth strap. The strap originally attached the underside of the noseband to the girth, in order to keep the horse's head down. Either the badge or the leather pad on which it sits is in many cases heart shaped, reflecting that it (the badge) sits over the horses’ heart. There were also regimental versions and the crown changed with the sovereign, just as with cap badges and other insignia. Invariably martingale badges took the same 'garter' shape as that adopted as a template for Glengarry badges and, similarly, the centre often bore a unit motif."
    Thanks again for your help on the I.D. Rick!

    Here are a couple of pics of the piece after a light brushing with combination of beeswax & paraffin wax.
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    Last edited by ANTIQUARIAN; Aug 09, 2014 at 09:13 PM. Reason: Find Update
    “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.”
    “Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.”
    “Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.”
    ― John Wayne

  2. #2
    Think that one will date into the Victorian era as I've seen similar before. Still a very nice find though.
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    Wow, Dave! That thing is huge! Congrats on what seems to be a very favorited find by you

    Banner vote in!
    Last edited by Old Dude; Aug 09, 2014 at 06:44 PM.
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    very nice, cool!
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    LUKE 15 : 8 "OR WHAT WOMAN, IF SHE HAS TEN SILVER COINS AND LOSES ONE COIN,DOES NOT LIGHT A LAMP AND SWEEP THE HOUSE AND SEARCH CAREFULLY UNTIL SHE FINDS IT?" 15 : 9 "AND WHEN SHE HAS FOUND IT, SHE CALLS TOGETHER HER FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS, SAYING, "REJOICE WITH ME, FOR I HAVE FOUND THE COIN WHICH I HAD LOST!"

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    Def. too big heavy for a hat badge, In the last couple of minutes I came up with a very similar, but is a horse decoration.
    Martingale brestplate.
    Royalty Memorabilia Horse Brass Victoria and Edward VII

    Near the bottom of that page.
    I'll keep looking.

    Agree with IP, nice find.

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    even as a late 1800s find...that one is a nice one!
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    That is a beautiful hat badge Dave! Too bad it's not War of 1812, but still a nice find that will be the centerpiece of any display.
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    ca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick (Nova Scotia) View Post

    I got it, it is military, Officers too.

    Victorian British Army Mounted Officer’s Breastplate/Martingale Badge

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    Thanks very much for this Rick ... I had a feeling it was too good to be true!
    Dave
    Last edited by ANTIQUARIAN; Aug 07, 2014 at 10:33 PM.

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    ca
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANTIQUARIAN View Post
    Thanks very much for this Rick ... I had a feeling it was too good to be true!
    Dave
    Why sad ? It's military, it's officers to boot, probably a 100 similar hat badges to 1 of these, I'd be quite happy indeed.

    I like trashy (or thick with targets) sites.

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    I would be pumped to add that to my collection. It's an great find regardless of age. Congrats.
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    ca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick (Nova Scotia) View Post

    Why sad ? It's military, it's officers to boot, probably a 100 similar hat badges to 1 of these, I'd be quite happy indeed.

    I like trashy (or thick with targets) sites.
    Thanks buddy!
    You know how it is ... when you want something to be really big and it turns out to only be somewhat big.

    Dave

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    WOW WOW Dave that badge is beautiful and very collectable ! What an awesome addition to your collection !1 Congradulations ! MaineRelic !
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    MaineRelic.

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    Wow !!! Super find Dave ! Congrats , I'm voting BANNER !
    Glen
    Last edited by pl8man; Aug 13, 2014 at 09:59 PM.
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    That thing's beautiful! Just imagine the last person who saw that was pinning it to his uniform over a century ago!
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    Let history be your treasure map .

 

 
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