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    Saxon or viking ?

    This was found on my forum dig on sun its part of a strapend , the eyes are glass/stone is it saxon or viking or other .

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    Nice digs.

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    To me it looks like the end of a sword/ dagger scabbard. I would lean towards Saxon due to the fact that I don't see any Elder Futhark rune inscriptions.
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    Many thanks its solid and there is nothing on the back if thats any help . Roger

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    It looks like the tip of a nose guard off a battle helmet. Just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuckyBottles View Post
    To me it looks like the end of a sword/ dagger scabbard. I would lean towards Saxon due to the fact that I don't see any Elder Futhark rune inscriptions.
    Why would runes make it Viking both Saxon and Viking used runes, and it has correctly been identified it is a strap end not scabbard. The beast / animal head puts it in either time frame you decide Roman Hunter....nice find.

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    Many thanks for replies all cheers .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Searcher View Post
    Why would runes make it Viking both Saxon and Viking used runes, and it has correctly been identified it is a strap end not scabbard. The beast / animal head puts it in either time frame you decide Roman Hunter....nice find.

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    The reason being is without going into a history lesson is the Vikings used Elder Futhark vs Saxon Futhark which an entirely different rune structure.
    This is a bad example, but since this is all I can provide from my phone it will have to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuckyBottles View Post
    The reason being is without going into a history lesson is the Vikings used Elder Futhark vs Saxon Futhark which an entirely different rune structure.
    This is a bad example, but since this is all I can provide from my phone it will have to do.
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    He's a History lesson for free, Elder Futhark originated from the Germanic tribes from the 2nd to the 8th century, which is one of the area's the Anglo Saxons migrated from to England. In Scandinavia from the late 8th century, the script was simplified to the Younger Futhark, while the Anglo Saxons extended the Futhark which eventually became the Anglo Saxon futhorc. The Futhark of 24 letters is called "Elder Futhark", and was used mostly before the 9th century CE

    In England, the Anglo-Saxons brought Futhark from continental Europe in the 5th century CE and modified it into the 33-letter Futhorc to accommodate sound changes that were occurring in Old English. In England, Anglo-Saxon Futhorc started to be replaced by the Latin alphabet by the 9th century CE, and did not survive much more past the Norman Conquest of 1066

    This strap end dates to is what's known in England as the Dark Ages, when Anglo Saxon and Viking Invaders occupied the land. Both Saxon and Viking strap ends are very similar in design, both used fantastic animal designs, it's not the lack of any runic letters that dates this item to it being Saxon /Viking but the design, and as both used this type of design, it's very hard to tell which one.

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    Very interesting the thing with this hobby your always learning stuff thanks silver searcher .

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    I would be logging it as Anglo-Saxon. Nice find, search that area carefully, there should be a Sceat around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Searcher View Post
    He's a History lesson for free, Elder Futhark originated from the Germanic tribes from the 2nd to the 8th century, which is one of the area's the Anglo Saxons migrated from to England. In Scandinavia from the late 8th century, the script was simplified to the Younger Futhark, while the Anglo Saxons extended the Futhark which eventually became the Anglo Saxon futhorc. The Futhark of 24 letters is called "Elder Futhark", and was used mostly before the 9th century CE

    In England, the Anglo-Saxons brought Futhark from continental Europe in the 5th century CE and modified it into the 33-letter Futhorc to accommodate sound changes that were occurring in Old English. In England, Anglo-Saxon Futhorc started to be replaced by the Latin alphabet by the 9th century CE, and did not survive much more past the Norman Conquest of 1066

    This strap end dates to is what's known in England as the Dark Ages, when Anglo Saxon and Viking Invaders occupied the land. Both Saxon and Viking strap ends are very similar in design, both used fantastic animal designs, it's not the lack of any runic letters that dates this item to it being Saxon /Viking but the design, and as both used this type of design, it's very hard to tell which one.

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    First off its the Saxons that invaded, not Anglo-Saxons. It's Futhark, due to the fact that Futhark were the original letters of the runic alphabet.
    Listen I don't do p------ matchs, nor copy and paste from Wikipedia, et.al., so we will agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuckyBottles View Post
    First off its the Saxons that invaded, not Anglo-Saxons. It's Futhark, due to the fact that Futhark were the original letters of the runic alphabet.
    Listen I don't do p------ matchs, nor copy and paste from Wikipedia, et.al., so we will agree to disagree.
    Well perhaps you should use Wiki a bit more, then your facts might be right from time to time. The Anglo Saxons migrated, not invaded England. Angles (Northern Albingia) and the Saxons (Saxony) Saxons, along with the Angles and other continental Germanic tribes, participated in the Anglo Saxon Settlement of Britain during and after the 5th century...

    Another free History Lesson for you, I normally charge

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