1652 PINE TREE SCHILLING !!!

[silversurfer1111]

My friend the fire man found this.he sure did his research. If anyone can give me any information about the coin.. how much is it worth ? any unique features ?..that would be great .I am sure he is not going to sell it ...he just wants to know out of curiosity ..Thanks for looking

 

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[Argentium]

Looks to be in nice condition , edges seem to be clipped ? I have to think you've scored pretty big - but will defer to the experts here . Fantastic find !

 

[Mach1Pilot]

That's a coin that could be on the banner.... Too bad it's not yours! The condition is outstanding - wish they could be found in Central PA!

 

[Gaspipe]

Oh my if that thing is genuine what an incredible find . If it were yours banner all day long!

 

[ironhorse]

Talk about a grail find!

Now there's the ones that take you right back to the very beginning of North American coinage

Great find from a great site

 

[Greylock]

That's the coin I dream about. Definitely banner worthy. Tell your friend congrats

 

[Iron Patch]

Looked at everything I could click on and nothing was close, so most likely NOE 8.
1652 MASSACHUSETTS
"PINE TREE" SHILLING -
NOE 8

Rarity: Scarce​

1652 Massachusetts "Pine Tree" Shilling - Noe 8

 

[bootybandit]

Amazing! If you look on Ebay, you'll find a few for sale.

 

[Garrett424]

Really nice.

 

[silversurfer1111]

Looked at everything I could click on and nothing was close, so most likely NOE 8.
1652 MASSACHUSETTS
"PINE TREE" SHILLING -
NOE 8

Rarity: Scarce​

1652 Massachusetts "Pine Tree" Shilling - Noe 8

Than you for the info.. so if its a noe 8.and extremely scarce does that make it worth more than the average pine tree shilling and why do the edges look cut off ?..did they buy stuff with a small cut pieces or is the coin just like that
?

 

[Iron Patch]

Than you for the info.. so if its a noe 8.and extremely scarce does that make it worth more than the average pine tree shilling and why do the edges look cut off ?..did they buy stuff with a small cut pieces or is the coin just like that
?

If it is NOE 8, which it likely is, the best thing to do is to find some sales where the condition is about the same. The surface/grade problems will affect it more than the edge, so don't worry too much about that. It definitely still has some value as would any tree coin, but listed as scarce is not enough rarity to really drive the price so it won't be big money.... hundreds and not thousands, but I don't follow these much so look around.

 

[treblehunter]

Tell him I said its priceless, nobody would want to offer you what its really worth, big secrets in the big time coin collecting world, that way they get it cheap, keep the prices cheap. There is a collector out there that has allot of money and would probably want that coin, if he had to wait long enough he would pay for it.

 

[CASPER-2]

HOPE HE DONT CLEAN IT - HE SHOULD HAVE IT SLABBED - AND GRADED BY PROFESSIONALS
THEY WILL IDENTIFY CORRECTLY AND MAY PUT A VALUE TO IT TOO
THINK THERE IS A PLACE IN EASTERN MASS. THAT DOES IT - YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP
HERE'S ONE IN MA.
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[dfx willy]

wow that is a killer find! tell the fireman congrats. i know someone who found one in a rhodeisland farm field but thats as close to even seing one as i got.look up the history of them its pretty intresting. thats a once in a lifetime find and i would hunt the piss out of were that came from. willy

 

[49r Relics]

Wow, an amazingly rare find! Any details about how and where it was found? And I agree, advise him not to clean it and congrats to him,

 

[doninbrewster]

It appears Iron Patch is correct. In the scheme of things, the Noe 8 Pine Tree Shilling is one of the more common of the large planchet pieces. Although rated as "scarce", when it comes to Mass Silver, that isn't that rare. It does look like a very nice piece. Although it seems to have some light surface corrosion, it was probably an XF when it was lost. Not a lot of actual wear. Argentium mentioned it might be clipped and it could be although seeing odd shapes on large planchet Pine Tree Shillings is quite common. Best way to know is to weigh it. Standard weight is 72 grains. The best scale for weighing these is a reloading scale. My favorite and the one I use for all my colonials is the RCBS balance scale. ARMSLIST - For Sale: Reloading Scale~RCBS Balance Beam Scale The scale is accurate to 1/10 of a grain. Value? I would think at least $2k and could be more if consigned to the right auction. Massachusetts silver coinage has become very popular over the last 20 years. I remember when I first started collecting colonials you could get a VF New England Shilling for $12-15k. It seems those same coins now look like $100k.

Forgot to mention.......Amazing Find! Massachusetts silver and in particular the large planchet pieces are rare coming out of the ground.

 

[BARKER]

Hi; Suggestion is to send it to PCGS. They will Grade, Certify and Slab it for him. I believe they charge a Sliding Fee for their Services.but once it is done there will NEVER be a question as to its Rarity, Grade or Value. It will also be Registered in their files so if it is ever stolen then you will have a Photographic Record to show the Police as well.
In 1988 I had several coins stolen and that is exactly how I not only Identified the coins but was also able to catch the thief. He took the coins to a local dealer who I notified of the theft. He called the cops and the busted the guy via the idiots Signature and the guys picture from the stores camera. He did a year for the Robbery. Grand Larceny. It was this clowns seventh conviction. Good riddance to the scum bag.
Lastly, the nick on the edge is a natural wear. If it ad been cut the slice would have been larger and cleaner. It might be a plow strike but otherwise it is natural ok.
Hope this helps. Great Find. PEACE:RONB

 

[CRUSADER]

As mentuioned above, it could be irregular & the right weight. If its the right weight then the clipping was done as part of the minting proccess. If it is under weight then you could argue that it was done later. Its been happening from medieval times when the hammered silver had bits robbed/clipped off & collected until you had enough to melt down & re-purpose. (if you got caught clipping in the medieval period, you had your hands cut off, so it was risky) Metal as a commodity started in the Bronze Age, precious metals, even little bits have a value.

 

[CRUSADER]

Minted! Dug up in a Midlands field, a £1m 'perfect' US threepenny bit from the time of Pilgrim Fathers | Mail Online

Read the hype about a 'similar' (ie Mass coinage) coin found in the UK. Just thought you guys would be interested.

 

[JeffInMass]

Amazing find!! Check my Banner Find- I found one in March, 2008 in Acushnet Mass. Need to get it authenticated- hard to tell from the pic. Mine sold at auction for almost 2K, due to the usual "environmental damage". Congrats though and here's hoping it's genuine!

-- JeffInMass --