Platinum Treasure!!! One Troy Once!!! Unique!!!

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Final Edit 1/30/2015 : The test results are in: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/general-discussion/448872-platinum-fork-test-results.html

I found this fork a few days ago along with some other less expensive treasures (mostly various grades of silver). Completed my research today and have come to the stunning conclusion that this is in fact... a 95% pure Platinum fork - solid Platinum with a gold plating - made by Cartier. This very well may be one of the most expensive pieces of cutlery in existence. Considering it weights 30.9 grams (1/5th of a gram shy of 1 Troy Ounce) I think it may very well be the single largest piece of platinum ever posted to this website. It's certainly the biggest piece of platinum I've ever found! I'm still shaking from the rush!! :headbang:

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Here's the story. Over the past week I've been pounding that old site by the shore again and again but this time using the new ExCal-II. It was a bit of a learning curve as I'd only used my new ExCal-II once before this. What a difference. The sandy/salty soil was no problem for the ExCal-II and the deep signals were coming in loud and clear. Ended up finding a ton more artifacts (silver, copper, iron, more globs of lead) - all much deeper finds than my other detector was able to handle. No more 18th century pepper pots unfortunately (I was hoping for a trifecta). I did however find, among other things, a sterling silver mechanical pencil (Victorian-age from the looks of it), an 80% silver olive fork, three hand-carved sterling spoons, a pewter dish, some broken pieces of porcelain, glass, and even what looks like to be a piece of an old shoe. I will post all these finds and more later in one massive post once I'm sure I've unearthed everything.

Anyway, this post is about the crowning jewel of the finds so far - the Platinum fork. I dug it up shortly after finding the sterling mechanical pencil. When I first saw the platinum fork it was all black just like all the silver in that area. I rubbed the dirt off (I know, I'm still kicking myself for doing such a stupid thing) and it revealed a golden luster - I assumed it to be a gold plated fork of either silver or some other cheaper metal. Into the bag it went and the hunt continued. At the end of each day I would clean and photograph my finds. I noticed the "950" hallmark during this time a few days ago.

The "950" is stamped in an "upside-down shield". I first saw this mark when I examined the fork the day I found it. I assumed it to be a sterling mark for 95% silver. I checked online a few times but really I had pretty much concluded it just had to be a type of silver. Today I did some in depth research and discovered that there is absolutely no sterling mark that resembles this hallmark. I did further research of other precious metal hallmarks besides silver and was stunned - the mark was listed as one of 4 types of platinum hallmarks. According to my research this platinum hallmark represents the second highest purity of platinum - 95%!! There is a crown above the "950", a little symbol that looks like an "R" directly above the "950", and a little "M" to the right of the "950". On the right side of the fork it says "Made in France" and on the left side it says "Cartier". There is also what appears to be some kind of etched serial number, possibly "1040". The piece weights 30.9 grams - almost exactly one troy ounce making it worth just about $1,200 in melt value.

The unknown: How old is this piece? I've had trouble dating this piece as hallmark charts by Cartier don't appear online in detail.

One thing is for certain Cartier is not known for cranking out platinum cutlery. I have a feeling this may have been a custom made piece. If so it may be unimaginably rare and expensive. My feeling is that it is worth way over its melt value of $1.2K - perhaps its worth $5k+ who knows? I will have to get it professionally appraised. Until then the hunt continues!!! :D Arg! Now with all this new swag I feel like a true pirate! :skullflag: :blackbeard: :laughing7:

Edit: Okay, it's officially confirmed. What I initially thought was an "R" stamp is in fact a "PT" stamp, "PT" means Platinum! "PT 950 M" is a high-strength Platinum alloy. The M stands for the 5% other metal added with the Platinum most likely Ruthenium! I'm on cloud 9 right now! :D

Platinum stamp along with hallmark chart:
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Cartier markings along the sides:
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Fork on my scale, note 30.9 gram weight:
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Folks,

Just throwing this out there for what it's worth if this item has quite a bit of age as no doubt it does....it could very well be platinum given the weight with a gold wash....my plausible theory follows.

If you do some research on the history of platinum in the earlier days it was considered a 2nd class metal compared to gold and was often religated to making dental crowns and other items until they realized it's rarity......something to consider.

Great find either way.

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You know you're too wealthy when: you eat your caviar with a $1,000 platinum fork, then throw it over the side of your yacht into the ocean because it's "disposable." :laughing7:
 

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Folks,

Just throwing this out there for what it's worth if this item has quite a bit of age as no doubt it does....it could very well be platinum given the weight with a gold wash....my plausible theory follows.

If you do some research on the history of platinum in the earlier days it was considered a 2nd class metal compared to gold and was often religated to making dental crowns and other items until they realized it's rarity......something to consider.

Great find either way.

Regards + HH

Bill

This sounds like an idea worth investigating. Times change. people and values change, nobody will dispute this. But, whatever metal it is......it still is a great recovery.
 

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Platinum is a very heavy metal, if this thing was made out of any cheaper material it would weigh half what it does.

So is steel. I can always tell when I find a silver plated fork or spoon. They are always WAY too heavy to be Sterling silver. Which brings up a good question, did you test it with a magnet?
 

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UnderMiner , Why don't you just go get the piece tested - remove all doubt !

I hope to have it professionally appraised some time this week. There is no doubt in my mind that this is a Platinum fork made by Cartier. My only concern is who this belonged to. This very well may have once belonged to royalty and if so it may be worth a fortune. My suspicions of it being a royal artifact stem from the fact that there is a little crown stamped inside the upside-down shield over the "950" stamp. Cartier was the number one producer of fine jewelry for royalty from the mid 19th century to the present. If not royalty then an extremely influential family, perhaps Guggenheim, Vanderbilt, Astor, Morgan, etc. We'll find out soon enough.
 

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So is steel. I can always tell when I find a silver plated fork or spoon. They are always WAY too heavy to be Sterling silver. Which brings up a good question, did you test it with a magnet?

The strongest magnet had no effect on it.
 

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I hope to have it professionally appraised some time this week. There is no doubt in my mind that this is a Platinum fork made by Cartier. My only concern is who this belonged to. This very well may have once belonged to royalty and if so it may be worth a fortune. My suspicions of it being a royal artifact stem from the fact that there is a little crown stamped inside the upside-down shield over the "950" stamp. Cartier was the number one producer of fine jewelry for royalty from the mid 19th century to the present. If not royalty then an extremely influential family, perhaps Guggenheim, Vanderbilt, Astor, Morgan, etc. We'll find out soon enough.

So awesome you can dream sooooo big! Wish I could do that.... I go by facts not dreams.... I guess its fun to dream... I mean kids still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy! Really they do :) I hope your dream comes true.... Big Smile...
 

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So awesome you can dream sooooo big! Wish I could do that.... I go by facts not dreams.... I guess its fun to dream... I mean kids still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy! Really they do :) I hope your dream comes true.... Big Smile...

I'm dreaming big because the Gold Coast was home to these families, and not many others. Plus, who else would own a solid platinum fork?
 

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In the wake of WWI , and the Russian Revolution , There were members of the nobility from all over Europe fleeing various conflagrations.
An item like this platinum utensil might have been among the "grab and go" heirlooms of a Duke , Duchess , Viscount , Prince etc.
If it was not already here as part of the "domestic" inventory of one the aforementioned "Robber Baron" families . Design wise this piece
feels early 20th century to me .

(I think it's possible to have a differing opinion without invoking a childlike belief in the "Easter Bunny " or
"Santa Clause " especially in light of the facts presented here ) Oops , it was the "tooth fairy" wasn't it !
 

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I'm dreaming big because the Gold Coast was home to these families, and not many others. Plus, who else would own a solid platinum fork?

The answer is no one... yours is tarnished... Platinum doesn't tarnish.... I hope I am wrong for you :)
 

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How did it ring up on the detector? Or do you have another detector to get a reading on? I'd imagine silver would give a high reading, and PT would be a lower tone, but then again, I have no experience testing PT flatware!

If it's PT, definite banner find! Maybe you can get it tested to be 1000% sure, and we can all vote banner!
 

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testing123,

I agree if it tests positive it definitely deserves to be up top.

Regards + HH

Bill
 

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Detector never lies! Platinum for sure!
 

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Find a local with an acid test. The cheapo test kit for gold and silver I bought on ebay came with platinum acid. Easiest way to find out

Good luck
 

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