Yesterdays finds including a cool 1700s British trade weight

Bill D. (VA)

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Yesterday's finds including a cool 1700s British trade weight

With all the rain and flooding of the past few days a memory, my hunting partner Dan and I finally made it back out into the fields. Dan already provided the background on the hunt site, as well as our guest and new friend, so I'll get right to it. Although I was not able to put my coil over a coin, the finds were still fairly plentiful in spite of this site being pounded for the last 3 years. This probably had a lot to do with the recent peanut harvest which is one of the very few ways to get the soil turned over just a bit. This can be particularly helpful in iron patches as the slightest movement of the soil can rearrange how the targets are positioned, and help with the masking problem. I'd have to say my best find of the day was another 18th century bronze/brass British trade weight. This is the 4th one of these I've dug over the last few years, and I find them very unique and interesting. All of the marks on it are readable which I think I'm correctly summarizing below:

- the dagger/sword at the top signifies city of London authority for the weight
- the "A" represents the Averdepois system (16 oz to the pound)
- the ewer (looks like a coffee pot or urn) at the bottom is the mark of the Founders company which authorized the weight
- on the right is a crown over a "G" which is probably the mark for King George III

Another cool find I made was this thin brass ring with a stone, which is the 3rd ring I've recovered from this site. Hard to date but I expect is could go back to the late 1700s. It's fragile and I'm afraid if I try to bend it back into its original shape it'll break. I tried putting it in hot water for a while, but it still was risky so I left as is. A couple of interesting buttons also surfaced, and both had designs on the obverse and drilled eye shanks on the back. And lastly, what I thought was just a scrap piece of metal turned out to have a design of sorts. The pics don't do it justice, but it almost looks to me to be a bird resting at the bottom of the "V" which may be a branch. Other opinions welcomed. Anyway, hope we get one more chance to hit this site before the winter wheat is drilled, but that'll be any day so we might have to wait until next year. It would be a shame to not take advantage of the ideal hunting conditions present now, but it's beyond our control.
 

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ARC

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Love the ring.
Should check the stone even though it is set in brass.
 

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Bill - I can only imagine what finds you produce this fall season. The trade weight is an excellent find. I found a couple myself, but I had to go to England to get them - not the same thing as finding them on a colonial-period site. Excellent finds. Keep those impressive finds coming. :notworthy:
 

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That's one huge trade weight Bill, must of been used to weigh that cob.:laughing7: Good to see you got the cool over the field finds again for the fall season. The ring is really a nice find, and agree it'd probably snap if you tried to bend it back.
 

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Great relics Bill!! Man I've been killin it lately.
 

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Congrats on the trade weight....got a couple too and will look great displayed!
 

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Great weight and like the larger button as well... just a little too early for us to find here unfortunately for us. But this is no different than most of your posts because in almost everyone I see things that aren't realistic to find here, so they really are some great early sites!
 

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That weight is awesome! Out of curiosity, did you throw it on a scale to see how close it was?
 

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Bill D. (VA)

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Great weight and like the larger button as well... just a little too early for us to find here unfortunately for us. But this is no different than most of your posts because in almost everyone I see things that aren't realistic to find here, so they really are some great early sites!

Thanks IP. This hunt was at a mid-1600s site, and the one that's given up 20+ pieces of colonial silver including that Cromwell silver penny I found 2-3 years ago. The finds are dwindling as the place has been hit hard, but its a huge field and I'm sure there are spots that haven't been properly gridded. Gotta be a few more oldies hiding there, but our window for the season may already have closed due to planting.
 

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Bill D. (VA)

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That weight is awesome! Out of curiosity, did you throw it on a scale to see how close it was?

Since these weights were supposedly manufactured using the Averdepois system (ounces and pounds), I was expecting this weight to be come out very close to an exact number of ounces. But when I put it on the scale it measured 3.80 oz which is odd. I also have a similar one I dug a few years ago, and that one weighs in at 3.93 oz. So not sure what's going on. I also have 2 much larger ones that are too big for my jewelry scales as you can see below.

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Bill D. (VA)

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Troy ounces ?

Can't be troy ounces as these weights were all manufactured using the avoirdupois system (ounces and pounds) where 1 avoirdupois ounce equals 28.3495 grams. And that's exactly how my jewelry scale computes the weight.
 

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Since these weights were supposedly manufactured using the Averdepois system (ounces and pounds), I was expecting this weight to be come out very close to an exact number of ounces. But when I put it on the scale it measured 3.80 oz which is odd. I also have a similar one I dug a few years ago, and that one weighs in at 3.93 oz. So not sure what's going on. I also have 2 much larger ones that are too big for my jewelry scales as you can see below.

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Bill, 0.13oz difference isn't much. Its a little more than the weight of a modern US Cent. Could that weight difference be within the tolerances they had for weight in the 1600's? Or maybe one was weighted different on purpose for a trade advantage? (aka: stealing!)
 

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Outstanding as always
 

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Bill D. (VA)

Bill D. (VA)

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Bill, 0.13oz difference isn't much. Its a little more than the weight of a modern US Cent. Could that weight difference be within the tolerances they had for weight in the 1600's? Or maybe one was weighted different on purpose for a trade advantage? (aka: stealing!)

I know with the small coin and apothecary weights they had to be really accurate, but for these larger weights I'm sure there was some accepted level of tolerance. So you might be right on that Brad. Good observation!
 

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The weight is a great find Bill. Looking forward to seeing that one in the display this winter. You are due for some silver, hopefully next hunt.
-Evan
 

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