🥇 BANNER Civil War Sharps carbine bullets -- with intact paper cartridges!!

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Hey y'all! I got back yesterday from DIV 32 at Cole's Hill. I had a blast digging with my friends again at a very special property to me. As for finds, I did quite well, especially on bullets. But my find of the hunt came just before lunch on the third day.

I was hunting an area with quite a few relics, all of which were super deep. So I was excited to get any nice subtle deep low tone on the GPX. This particular one, though, just kept going down and down into the center of the hole. Finally I reached the target - a Sharps bullet. But I knew there was no way I got a signal at that depth from one Sharps. Knowing there had to me more, I stuck my pinpointer back into the hole, and it sang.

I quickly pinpinted another Sharps, laying horizontally. As I pulled it from the ground, I noticed the round indentation where the bullet came from and realized that these bullets still had their waterproofed paper cartridges intact!!

I was able to salvage the cartridge from one of these first two bullets, and continued more carefully as I recovered the rest. In total I got 8 complete cartridges, one separated cartridge, and one bullet by itself, as well as several percussion caps. I would later see onli e original packages of Sharps cartridges, sold in packages of 10. So I'm assuming that an entire box was discarded or forgotten, and the deep red clay kept the waterproofed cartridges intact for 150 years.

I very carefully brought them home packed in native clay. Cleanup was a challenge, and I did the best I could with dry brushing and a toothpick. I then used a wet brush over the bullet part, as well as the sturdier cartridges. The reconstruction bullet leaked gunpowder around the rim when I was cleaning the bullet, so I know it mush have gotten a small amount of water inside. I hope that doesn't destroy it. Dried them all off with cloth and letting them air dry for a long time before putting the top of the glass case on. I did the best I could, now I guess time will tell how well they hold up. But they seem surprisingly solid.

This is easily one of the coolest things I've ever found. Of all the Civil War relics dropped, they have to be the right combination of cartridge and location to be preserved intact after so long. I have seen a few of the intact 58 minie balls online before. But for an already scarce subset of dug relics, the Sharps are even significantly less common. Needless to say, I'm over the moon with this recovery.

I hope you enjoyed reading (if you made it this far) and the pictures. Happy hunting and God bless.
 

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Tejaas

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NICE DIGS!

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That's a really nice find. Not going to do that every day. Congratulations!
 

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I have never seen that before. Thanks for a first,for me. But let me just say Wow what a recovery after the find. I would never have thought they could have been preserved so well. You are a master at the clean up on that one. Congrats!
 

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Amazing recovery. Thanks for sharing
 

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WOW... I cant believe how well those are preserved. That is truly amazing. :notworthy: Excellent job at preserving them.

I'd vote for them if you extracted all 10 of them intact. :laughing7: haha

Definitely voting these up top. Anything else cool surface at DIV for you?

Its great seeing these posts come in now that everyones getting home.
 

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Thanks everyone!!

Outdoor adv - honestly, having the one that didn't get saved doesn't bug me as much as the 6 missing pcaps that were meant to be in that box. Lol!

Other than this I got bout a hundred bullets. Mostly three ringers and Sharps. Some cool carved and half melted bullets. Couple buttons, not much in the way of brass though. Best other find was the back end of a spur. I'll post that up in the ID section later, but a couple folks said it was either confederate or private purchase, not a standard issue Yankee spur.
 

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Here's the rest of my finds, separated out by days. I was going to make a separate post for them, but what the heck, I'll just put em here. Haha
 

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Outdoor adv - honestly, having the one that didn't get saved doesn't bug me as much as the 6 missing pcaps that were meant to be in that box. Lol!

Haha. Well, at that depth finding as many percussion caps as you did is impressive!

Again, great finds and you really killed it on the lead.
 

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Wow this is the 2nd post i hve now seen that has intact cartridges outstanding ..happy huntinn
 

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That's a crazy thing to find intact after 150yrs in the soils. Congrats on getting them out and cleaning them up, they'll look great in a display.

Just a thought about the missing caps, wonder if there a few misfires and they had to break open another box to retrieve some of the caps?
 

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WOW! IS THAT PAPER?? ?? ?? ?? If so, this is a BANNER find in my eyes... incredible finds!!! HUGE congrats!!! :notworthy:
 

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WOW! IS THAT PAPER?? ?? ?? ?? If so, this is a BANNER find in my eyes... incredible finds!!! HUGE congrats!!! :notworthy:

Thanks! Yes, according to Jim Thomas ( who literally wrote the book on CW bullets) they are nitrated paper cartridges covered in collodion made by Johnson and Dow. :D
 

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That's a crazy thing to find intact after 150yrs in the soils. Congrats on getting them out and cleaning them up, they'll look great in a display.

Just a thought about the missing caps, wonder if there a few misfires and they had to break open another box to retrieve some of the caps?

I was wondering the same sort of thing. Actually, I count 6 caps in the picture, and gtoast99 said he was "missing 6 caps". Does that mean that there were 10 bullets with paper cartridges and 12 caps in a box? Perhaps 2 extra caps for misfires?
 

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Thanks! Yes, according to Jim Thomas ( who literally wrote the book on CW bullets) they are nitrated paper cartridges covered in collodion made by Johnson and Dow. :D


So refreshing to see someone rattle off Jim/Dean Thomas' name first instead of 'McKee' or 'Mason'.

I 100% agree - The Thomas' are to CW small arms what Hazlett and Melton Jr. are to CW artillery.

Stay classy, gtoast99.

P.S. The best kind of mail a 'smith specializing in Civil War small arms can get looks exactly like this:
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They wouldn't really shipped the caps in with the powder filled Paper would they? That would not be very safe. I can't believe there are not more people raving over this find. The only reason I didn't say much in my first post is that I was utterly speechless. It is so incredible you managed to get them out of the dirt without destroying the paper.
 

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And that really begs the question how long did it take you to get it all out of the hole you must have spent considerable time
 

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