Colonial Bonanza? I dunno . . .

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LOTS of stuff, and looks early to me, but I'm no Colonial guy, so while you're waiting for Spring, give me your thoughts on anything you see here that interests you!

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In the summer, I took a shot at a groundhog 200 yards from my driveway on the property adjacent to mine. His hole was on a high knoll and I missed, but walked over to make sure. Looking for blood in his hole (I saw none) I noticed that in his digging, he had to maneuver around a partial wall (Totally unknown to anybody around here, and below the plow line depth) I could see LARGE unfired Colonial bricks. Looking around the hole, I saw clay pipe, salt glazed pottery and other evidence of early inhabitants. A house was soon to be built there, and so I eye-balled and detected the area as much as I could, until the opportunity was over. And it's over.

I found part of an octagonal hooked-breech gun barrel. The absence of any nipple apparatus makes me think Flintlock, especially since I found a perfect flint, and some raw flint or chert not native to this area. A trigger guard, too.

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In the pic with the flint, could the rounded edge buckle be a knee buckle? And the piece in the lower right, could that be to a shoe buckle? If so, it's the first I've ever found.

I came away with some buttons and a very small cameo. The cameo (I guess that's what you call it) was only found because of the thin brass edge surrounding it. The buttons: One was a two-piece with the face missing. Another appears to be a tombac and another a flat. Two have decorations. Anybody recognize the decorations as anything? The cameo appears to be woman, though at first it looked like Julius Caesar or something.

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Not a single coin, and no other jewelry. But what really intrigued me was that there was virtually NOTHING modern in this field. No junk. (According to my wife, it's ALL junk!) Detector finds were scant. Harmonica reeds that look like lead, pocket-knife parts, a very thick heavy pewter handle to something, pieces of pots, random brass, etc.

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I'm curious about this though - found two of them. almost look like iron arrowheads. Is there such a thing in Eastern Virginia? I found one broken quartz arrowhead and some flakes . . .

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Now to the eyeball finds. Lots of clay pipe and salt Glazed Pottery - Some with pretty cool designs.

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Some unusual pieces. I saved the bone on the left, because it appears to have butchering cuts.

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In the next picture the fragments are red like brick, but with a glaze. Then I grouped some delicate fragments together like porcelain or china. In pic three, a few of the wine bottle fragments (and there were many) had a beautiful blueish hue. Not easily seen in the pics.

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Next groups - white (dish ware?) with designs, then plain white, then some brownish crockery.

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An interesting delicate stem:

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If you look in the first pic at the top, there's a lot of black (actually dark green) wine bottle(?) fragments at the top of the picture. Some of it had weird mineralization - at least I guess that's what it is . . . Sadly, no seals or big pieces. But several bottoms show a blob revealing that they're hand blown I guess.

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Sorry for TMI and so many pics, but I'd really like for some of the Colonial experts like Bill D or HomeGuardDan to try to DATE this pile of stuff for me. Anything ANY of you could tell me would be appreciated. As I said, I don't know much about Colonial stuff. Does this appear to be the kind of stuff you'd find around a simple home, a higher class home, or a store or tavern?

I've been out of the loop for a couple of months, but trying to re-emerge as the snow melts. Good Hunting . . .
 

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Great looking pile of finds there.
The best thing I like is the carved rock crystal face from a wax seal or watch chain fob!
It's not a cameo, a cameo is something else completely different
 

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Hey man, I did not see this. Thanks for the PM. Judging by the glass it could date to the early 1700s. Judging by the brass (buttons, buckles , etc.) It dates mid to late 1700s. So I would date it back to the mid 1700s for now, but check out the bore sizes of.your pipes. The larger the older. There certainly are some early pieces mixed in, but most is from that date range. Should be some killer stuff there.
 

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Incredible finds. Too bad the site is now gone forever... just like so many others. Is that a shark's tooth next to the buckles? Never seen anything like that so far from salt water. Congrats.
 

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Looks like you have been busy...

Nice example of "getting down to it".

Well done.
 

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That is some serious digging parson, a shame that the site is gone. I'll echo Dan's sentiment regarding the age of the site, early to mid 1700s. Did you sift the site or was that all on the surface? The wax seal is particularly nice.
 

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The rounded buckle is early, possibly early 1700s. As stated by others there are types of pottery from early to mid or even late 1700s so the site was probably occupied for most of the 18th century. The stem with the twist pattern is from a glass, probably a wine glass. Whomever lived there was at least somewhat affluent, as evidenced by some of the pottery, the glass stem and the wax seal (which I believe is a man's bust, not a woman's).

Fantastic recoveries-I'm glad you were able to save them before they were lost forever. If there are woods nearby I would take a look around & maybe do some detecting if you have access; there could be another home site in the area.
 

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Man what a spot ! Nice lot of early items :occasion14:
 

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Hey man, I did not see this. Thanks for the PM. Judging by the glass it could date to the early 1700s. Judging by the brass (buttons, buckles , etc.) It dates mid to late 1700s. So I would date it back to the mid 1700s for now, but check out the bore sizes of.your pipes. The larger the older. There certainly are some early pieces mixed in, but most is from that date range. Should be some killer stuff there.

As Dan stated the best way to date the site is to measure the bores of the pipe stems with drill bits (in 64ths of an inch). Here is some good information about this & it includes a chart that will give you a rough idea of the age of the pipe stems: https://nmscarcheologylab.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/spotlight-on-pipe-stems/
 

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That's interesting how you came to find that site as my very first, productive pit was also found as a result of a groundhog. He had pulled out a bunch of long pipe stems and several intact bowls from his hole, and the ensuing pit dig was quite successful. With that said, I have to totally agree with Dan's comments. All that blue and gray Westerwald or Rhenish stoneware mostly dates to the mid-1700s as well as the buttons. And that black glass appears to be post-onion or mallet period as it looks like it may be mostly from the mid-to-late 1700s cylindrical era. But a few of your finds may date back to the late 1600s, especially a couple of those buckles. Probably the most accurate way to determine the mean occupancy of the site, as already mentioned, is to do a pipe stem bore analysis. Below are a couple of excerpts from some of my past articles that tell and show you how to do this. But my feeling is that this will likely confirm 18th century occupancy of the site. Glad you were able to save these relics before being lost forever.

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You have an amazing site there! Those 2 iron points do seem to be arrow heads.
 

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Looks pretty old to me PW. Lots of great finds there. Will make a large display box for your collection to augment CW relics. WTG, Q.
 

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Nice pile of colonial homesite residue. I'm glad you picked up all the ceramics as well as the metallic objects. I agree with Bill and Dan regarding the date range.
 

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...now start glueing the westerwald puzzle together. Even a partial reconstructed pot would look cool with the pile of pipe stems in it. Great finds!! Maybe Bill will post a picture of his reconstructed pottery....
 

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Man, I got EDUCATED by you guys on this post! Thanks Ironhorse on the seal/Fob ID. dts52, yes I found that shark tooth in the mix. VaMiarPwr07 - I didn't get a chance to sift anything. I'm sure the place is loaded still, but now off limits!
 

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Man, I got EDUCATED by you guys on this post! Thanks Ironhorse on the seal/Fob ID. dts52, yes I found that shark tooth in the mix. VaMiarPwr07 - I didn't get a chance to sift anything. I'm sure the place is loaded still, but now off limits!

No problem, you're welcome
Having found several fob seals myself I know that they are a real treasure and the diversity of them makes each and every one special
I hope this the first of many for you!
 

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