🥇 BANNER Exceedingly rare Caribbean Countermarked Silver Coin Found (1 of 3 known)!

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I've been fortunate during the month of March and been able to get out metal detecting at my new spot one day each week. In fact last week I was able to get out twice! This new area is close to where I found many French war buttons a few years back. In my last post I had finally dug a cuff 18 (Gatanois regiment) This was a number I had never dug before. Well last week I found myself my second one! This one was practically lying on TOP of the ground ....just under the leaves! It turned out to be a beautiful cuff 8 (Bearn regiment). Although I did find a coat 8 in 2012, I had never found a cuff 8!!! Not more than 10 inches from the cuff 8 I got another reading which turned out to be a solid silver knee buckle! The soil is almost 50 percent sand at this site so I could immediately see the WC and what looked like 2 lions stamped in the back. Other finds that day included a cuff eagle button, a couple of brass pieces to a Civil War shoulder scale, a brass very early, crude set of cufflinks and a small kepi buckle. Now to the the previous week. At the same spot I had barely turned onmy Nautilus DMC IIb when I dug a dropped Gardner, followed by a beautiful engraved brass keyhole to either a large chest or door. Now is when things get interesting. The only coin I had dug in this spot was a 1736 - 1795 Kao T'sung (Chien - Lung Dynasty) Chinese Coin. This was a strange find to dig here and the first I had ever found. Well, in the immediate area where I had dug my cuff 18, I started to move all the fallen logs out of the way. You don't realize how many good finds I have found over the years by doing this! Well not more that 8 feet from where the cuff 18 was found I got that good brassy two tone beep I love to hear! After digging down just 4 inches out popps a silver coin!!! Again because of the soil conditions I could immediately see a crown, the number 3, and another symbol counterstamped in the coin . The coin was also holed and from the design on the back I knew I had either a French, British, or Spanish coin (even though it was heavily worn). I can remember thinking "Could this be some sort of regimental Rev War ID tag?" I couldn't really detect anymore after finding this coin and I immediately went home. Once home I posted my finds on my Facebook page and not more than 5 minutes later my good friend and dealer Paul Chandler wrote what I wanted to hear. "You are correct! This is only the third Rev War regimental ID tag I have seen in 35years of dealing and digging! I was speechless. I have never found a Civil War ID tag after 30 years of digging and here I had just found a Rev War regimental ID tag! Well I immediately needed confirmation from Don Troini, the authority on Rev War artifacts. If you dig and ever find a rev war relic of importance he is the man to contact! I posted on his Facebook Rev War page and the discussion was intense! He, however, is unsure as to what this is. He did say the crown was not in the shape of a British crown so he didn't think it was British. Others said it was a bale seal or a coin weight. Well friends....... I've been digging, as I said for over 30 years, and I know whithout a shadow of a doubt this is no bale seal, or coin weight. Coin weights are always made out of brass...... and this was a silver coin at first ! And a silver bale seal ....HAHAHA. Now back to the silver knee buckle I just dug. After I got home I immediately posted this on facebook and within minutes another friend sent me a link to early 1700's British silversmiths. This link is a wealth of knowledge. All the initials of British silversmiths were shown. Listed clearly was the silversmith WC. William Cripps .....circa 1757!!! Also shown were all the other marks associated with early British silver smiths. Suddenly I knew what the mark below the 3 was on my counterstamped coin. It is a assay mark OR Towne mark showing purity of silver and is associated with a town or city in a country such as Britain or France! I am going to send some pictures of the tag over the internet to some people over in England and see if they can help me decipher what mark this is........ I still feel this could be a Rev War soldiers regimental tag. Whether it is British of French or Hessian ........ I don not know. What I do know is it is DEFINITELY NOT a bale seal or coin weight. If I had an authority on early world silver coins, they could also probably tell me based on the reverse of the coin what country the coin is from and what dates. You can bet I will be metal detecting at this site again soon!!! HH Devonrex
 

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Isaac

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Thankyou Isaac....... I have been following your recent finds as well. Great job!!! Devonrex

Thanks! Same to you on Facebook... every time you found out something new about that piece it got me more and more excited!
 

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Wow....what an amazing piece of history...not to mention incredibly rare....that is a banner find and will be up there shortly...Congrats
 

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Can't let this one die. So many people who are interested in early coins are probably missing a very good find because of the title. I think it should be posted again, just the coin, and a link to this thread.
 

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Wow....what an amazing piece of history...not to mention incredibly rare....that is a banner find and will be up there shortly...Congrats
Thanks Brian!! I usually don't find too many silver coins.............probably because I hunt mostly military sites instead of homesites, so finding this coin is definitely a surprise! HH Devonrex
 

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Thanks Brian!! I usually don't find too many silver coins.............probably because I hunt mostly military sites instead of homesites, so finding this coin is definitely a surprise! HH Devonrex


That's very consistent with my digging at the early sites, even though they are just home sites. I find quite a few military buttons, my share of coppers, but early silver is tough. So it's pretty amazing given how few you find that is what you get.
 

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Can't let this one die. So many people who are interested in early coins are probably missing a very good find because of the title. I think it should be posted again, just the coin, and a link to this thread.
IRON Patch I can do that but I don't want to get anyone upset! Devonrex
 

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IRONMAN, I can do that but I don't want to get anyone upset! Devonrex


Well if bringing the proper attention to a great find, and making this site a little better in the process makes someone upset... then I guess I'm on the wrong site! It's one thing to post an average find in 27 different places around this site, and quite another to give an update after you receive an ID that changed so much.
 

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Iron Patch

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It definitely deserves a post of its own. I'd be over the moon to dig something like that.
 

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It definitely deserves a post of its own. I'd be over the moon to dig something like that.
So apparently this is just the 3rd Carribean countermarked coin every found! The story is all beginning to fall into place now. I had always known a couple of regiments of men joined Lafayette in Yorktown, travelling from the Bahamas. This brought the total count of French soldiers in Yorktown to roughly 8000 men. This coin was most assuredly in the pocket of one of those men! If only I could see what this coin has seen. I am totally amazed by this find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HH Devonrex
 

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It is beginning to make sense to me now!!!..........."The stage was set when de Grasse raised anchor with his 28 ships of the line and supporting frigates at Cape Francois on August 5 and headed north. They were bursting with soldiers and sailors: An 80-gun ship190 feet long with a 46-foot beam and a 22-foot hold carried a crew of 940 men. All but 150 were needed to work the cannon. It took 15 men to service one of the thirty 36-pounders on the main deck; the rest were needed ...to operate the fifty 18- and 8-pounders. They were also carrying 3,000 men of the infantry regiments Gatinais, Agenais, and Touraine under the comte de Saint-Simon, 100 artillery men, their guns, and 100 dragoons.
Along the way, de Grasse dispatched the frigate Aigrette to Havana to pick up 1.2 million livres that Rochambeau had requested in July to pay and feed his army. It took but five hours to collect the funds from public and private sources. The next day the Aigrette was away.
Washington and Rochambeau learned August 14 from the Concorde that de Grasse was sailing for the Chesapeake with all the ships and troops he had collected. Leaving behind a small contingent of militiamen to make British General Sir Henry Clinton think the allies were still planning for a siege of New York, the American and French generals joined forces. De Grasse had declared he could stay no later than October 15; there was no time to lose. On August 19, the armies began the 450 mile march to Yorktown"
 

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So apparently this is just the 3rd Carribean countermarked coin every found! The story is all beginning to fall into place now. I had always known a couple of regiments of men joined Lafayette in Yorktown, travelling from the Bahamas. This brought the total count of French soldiers in Yorktown to roughly 8000 men. This coin was most assuredly in the pocket of one of those men! If only I could see what this coin has seen. I am totally amazed by this find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HH Devonrex



That is very possible, but you should embrace it from a numismatic point of view, because it's a much greater coin than it is a relic. But location often does add to a find, and I get that. It's a winner all the way around.
 

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amazing..please keep us posted..:occasion14:
 

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That's amazing find and an amazing piece of history good save!!
 

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Fantastic find with history surrounding it. That counter stamp is a nice deep strike and looks great.
 

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