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    Antler Knife, Pontil Bottle, CW Buttons and more...

    After weeks of rain, I was dying to get out to sift. It seemed like bands of rain swept across the US every day for the last 2 weeks, so when the sun came out on Thurs, I was out the door. Sadly the soil was too wet and the grass waist high, so I just hunkered down in one small area to dig nails. Thurs was one of those hunts that started out amazing, with multiple bone pieces turning up early on, followed by a complete pontil bottle and the General Service button, which gave me the right attitude for digging nails for 5 hours. In all, on Thurs I dug exactly 100 nails and a few dozen pieces of other iron. On Saturday (yesterday) I got out for 8 hours and dug an equal number of nails along with 2 CW Excelsior buttons. Yesterday was a much slower hunt than thurs, but I was happy with the two NY buttons that turned up.

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    This bottle was a big deal for me. I'm not a bottle collector, hardly know a thing about them, but I think these hand made bottles are killer. I've been sifting this pit since last year and everything I find is pulverized. I'm lucky to find a piece of pottery or glass that is larger than an inch across. I still save it all and piece what I can back together for displaying. I have wanted a complete bottle so bad and its very discouraging to dig broken things for 100's of hours of sifting. So I got the antler knife out of the plug and after 5 min of removing nails with my pinpointer from the plug, my machine was telling me more nails were right to the left of it. So I cut a large half moon plug extension and when I flip back the sod, this bottle drops out the bottom. If I came in an inch on the size of my plug extension, I would have crushed this bottle. I sat there with a huge dumb smile for at least 5 minutes just staring at this bottle. It was so rewarding after digging so many really cool broken pieces, to finally get one of these really old blown pontil bottles.

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    This antler knife was found digging a large flat iron high tone with iron grunts... the hole turned out to contain all iron, but there was a piece of sheet metal, the knife blade and a hand full of nails. I dug the bone fork sides one plug before the antler knife. There was a nail in the plug that I was finding to remove with my pinpointer and the bone handles were an added bonus. The following plug I popped it open and saw the antler handle.... was so awesome... I took my time removing it since I didn't want to break off anything that was left of the iron part. I was unsure if it was a fork, knife or spoon when I first saw it and luckily there was enough of the knife blade left to tell what it was.

    The progression of preservation as dug, washed, electrolysis, hot wax (iron) mineral oil (antler), and I had to epoxy the blade back into the handle. Turned out great.

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    Here are some of my favorite bone and wood handle utensils that have turned up here, sitting on a plate from here that I have been trying to reconstruct. All of these have been in past posts on here within the last year. Cool to think any of them could have been used together or by the same person and possibly eaten a meal on that very plate

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    Some nice rose heads from Thurs. The uncleaned one is from yesterday and I probably have even more since I haven't even sorted through my from that trip yet.

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    The Civil War General Service button has a perfect patina on it with a nice Waterbury backmark. Of all my GS buttons, this one has the best color and was very nice to add to my display. Yesterday my 4th and 5th NY Excelsior button turned up from this place. The first one yesterday was in nice condition, but the second one had old damage where the face was crushed in and the inside filled with dirt. So I saved the dirt from inside since I figured it might contain some of the front pieces. I was able to find 3 of the pieces and glue them back on. So while its in rough shape, its still better than a button with hardly any face.

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    This brick was a nice surprise in many ways. I'm always digging bricks here and usually leave them in the plug. After 100's of bricks, this was my first complete one... better yet, its in exterior corner brick from the chimney with the white wash paint still on it. Insane!! You can see the charring on it where it was on the inside of the chimney and where the other brick butted up to it. White wash paint is on the two outside ends of the brick.

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    All 5 of the NY buttons in the display now.

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    Unmasking new non-ferrous tones is a lot of work, but totally worth it. The surprises are few, but rewarding and in the process I get cool relics like the pieces of bone and rose head nails.

    Thanks for reading and happy hunting.

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    Quite the selection of old finds.

    Regards + HH

    Bill

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    You have restored everything you dug very well. Nice lot of finds you dug.
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    That was one HUGE hall for the day....and I bet there's more. I'm really only into onion bottles, but that bottle you found is talking to me. Great saves!

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    Great recoveries.
    Congrats on the intact bottle,finally.
    I see a flintlock top jaw screw in the mix.
    Interesting thread pattern on it vs, modern threads.

    Knives and forks are cool ...the scales mostly exhibit good texture for a grip.
    The bone butcher knife and the antler handle one are competing for favorite ,but best I let them rest on their own merits...

    Lots of goodies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill from lachine View Post
    Quite the selection of old finds.

    Regards + HH

    Bill
    Thanks Bill!

    Quote Originally Posted by CoilyGirl View Post
    You have restored everything you dug very well. Nice lot of finds you dug.
    Thank you CoilyGirl! The preservation part is one of my favorite parts of the whole process. Its great to take something that is broken and rusty and make it somewhat presentable. You put enough of it in a pile together and it looks cool no matter what.... even when most of its broken or bent. ha

    Quote Originally Posted by WildWildBill View Post
    That was one HUGE hall for the day....and I bet there's more. I'm really only into onion bottles, but that bottle you found is talking to me. Great saves!
    Thanks WildWildBill! I have found some onion bottle bases, but never close to a partial or complete one. There is without a doubt a lot more left and I will continue to sift once it dries up some. Hopefully some more complete glass turns up!

    Quote Originally Posted by releventchair View Post
    Great recoveries.
    Congrats on the intact bottle,finally.
    I see a flintlock top jaw screw in the mix.
    Interesting thread pattern on it vs, modern threads.

    Lots of goodies!
    Thanks releventchair! I wish it was a flintlock screw. Sadly, its brass and its part to a drawer handle. I found the other one next to it in the winter about 40 yards from the one I found on Thurs. I read an article this winter about these and why they are parts to handles and not flintlocks. Apparently almost all the flintlock screws were iron?!

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    Nice hunts. Those are some killer bone handle utensils you have. Pretty cool you that are able to reconstruct the plate. Always nice to find some CW era buttons.

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    Man that place is loaded! Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutdoorAdv View Post
    Thanks Bill!



    Thank you CoilyGirl! The preservation part is one of my favorite parts of the whole process. Its great to take something that is broken and rusty and make it somewhat presentable. You put enough of it in a pile together and it looks cool no matter what.... even when most of its broken or bent. ha



    Thanks WildWildBill! I have found some onion bottle bases, but never close to a partial or complete one. There is without a doubt a lot more left and I will continue to sift once it dries up some. Hopefully some more complete glass turns up!



    Thanks releventchair! I wish it was a flintlock screw. Sadly, its brass and its part to a drawer handle. I found the other one next to it in the winter about 40 yards from the one I found on Thurs. I read an article this winter about these and why they are parts to handles and not flintlocks. Apparently almost all the flintlock screws were iron?!

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    Ahhh, that's why the holes look large and egged on the sides, and the strange threads.
    My exuberant bad....
    The non-threaded area on a topjaw screw is where it passes through the thickness of a top jaw ,another clue I missed as your recoveries would require a massive thickness of a jaw...
    Not all have holes through them either but coffee said it was a screw....l.o.l..

    I'll look closer in the future!
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    Great post and nice relics! Display is very cool, even nails have a place there! Love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by releventchair View Post
    Ahhh, that's why the holes look large and egged on the sides, and the strange threads.
    My exuberant bad....
    The non-threaded area on a topjaw screw is where it passes through the thickness of a top jaw ,another clue I missed as your recoveries would require a massive thickness of a jaw...
    Not all have holes through them either but coffee said it was a screw....l.o.l..

    I'll look closer in the future!
    No worries! They'd be a lot cooler if they were musket parts. Haha. The threads are pretty crude, so they're probably pretty old.

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    Built my first sifter last week, just need to find a site with the right soil and history. The assortment of antler and bone utensils is killer, but already nice to dig CW buttons.
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    Very nice collection of items your getting! Wish you good luck in your future hunts! Thanks for sharing the nice photos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR View Post
    Nice hunts. Those are some killer bone handle utensils you have. Pretty cool you that are able to reconstruct the plate. Always nice to find some CW era buttons.
    Thanks PBR! I have 5 plates\bowels that I've put together over 50% of and 1 bowl that is 99% complete... that ones a Davenport Pearlware Bowl made in England in the early 1800's. I have huge boxes of pottery and glass and at some point I check and see if I have any missing pieces I'm looking for. It will be an overwhelming task.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Cache View Post
    Man that place is loaded! Nice job.
    Thanks Mike... it sure is loaded. Its going to be a ton of fun sifting and I'll be sure to keep you guys posted on what turns up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Westfront View Post
    Great post and nice relics! Display is very cool, even nails have a place there! Love it
    Thanks Westfront! I don't typically put the nails in my photos, but I did start processing my good iron before I post. Since it was a failed sifting trip(s) that I decided to just dig nails instead, I figured I'd sprinkle those 100 nails into the pictures so show the work it takes. There's a whole other box of iron from this trip that I didn't include. I do strangely appreciate the nails though... and when I dig a nice rose head, I actually put it in my keeper container and not in the pouch with all the other square nails. haha

    Quote Originally Posted by VMI Digger View Post
    Built my first sifter last week, just need to find a site with the right soil and history. The assortment of antler and bone utensils is killer, but already nice to dig CW buttons.
    Thanks a ton Jon! Sifting is a ton of fun, so I was bummed out when the ground was a little too damp. However, I certainly will be returning to sift the areas of the antler knife and other piece of bone. If youre seeing pottery, brick and shell in your plugs just mark it off and sift there... some of the areas I didnt think had anything turned out to be the best sections to sift. Really looking forward to seeing what you find.

    Brad

    Quote Originally Posted by scruggs View Post
    Very nice collection of items your getting! Wish you good luck in your future hunts! Thanks for sharing the nice photos!
    Thank you scruggs! I'll be sure to keep tnet posted on what turns up next.

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    Thanks everyone. For the Deus users, I should point out that I was using a new program for this hunt... and based on what it found, I now cant wait for winter! I typically hunt with reactivity 3, silencer -1, disc 6, sens 90. I've done plenty of air tests and ground tests and I know what reactivity does to depth, so I finally decided to drop it. I dropped reactivity to 1, Silencer 0, disc 0, sens 95, used 4 tones and burned the first two tones for iron @ 200khz with breaks at 0 and 8. I really like the Deus running fast, but cranking it up hot was pretty awesome. I've picked this place over and I actually got some deep signals I was very surprised about... the shotgun shell was a huge let down, but it was down about 9 inches and came in so smooth... it sounded like a copper! The GS button and NY buttons were all between 6-8" deep... its pretty hard to get a smooth signal on a thin piece of brass like those buttons when they're surrounded by nails. So the new program was a success and I will definitely be using it some more.

 

 
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