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    Quote Originally Posted by btjbtj View Post
    Thanks, Iron. Sometimes it's hard to know who to listen to in here! ;-) We certainly respect many opinions here, including yours and Scrappy's. Speaking of macaroni--time to start dinner! -L

    Truth be told I just wanted to call Scrappy a name ...but if it was my land to do what I want with I'd beat it quiet with the detector and then rip the entire place apart.... mostly focusing on the heavier iron areas, and especially digging out any cellar holes and trash pits. You may not find much, but what you do would likely be in much better condition.
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    Fine advice, Iron. I'm sure John's wife won't let him tear up the lawn though! �� -L
    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Patch View Post
    Truth be told I just wanted to call Scrappy a name ...but if it was my land to do what I want with I'd beat it quiet with the detector and then rip the entire place apart.... mostly focusing on the heavier iron areas, and especially digging out any cellar holes and trash pits. You may not find much, but what you do would likely be in much better condition.

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    Lisa I believe your mystery piece is the broken frame of a small shoe buvkle from the 18th century. It has the correct shape and the hole would have held a pin that contained the chape, tongue and spike. These were what made the connection. Old shoelace of sorts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Patch View Post
    Truth be told I just wanted to call Scrappy a name ...but if it was my land to do what I want with I'd beat it quiet with the detector and then rip the entire place apart.... mostly focusing on the heavier iron areas, and especially digging out any cellar holes and trash pits. You may not find much, but what you do would likely be in much better condition.
    While I love to disagree with Mr. French fries and gravy, but that's what I would have done. And by quiet I mean no iron... no nothing. I have a 5 acre spot I did that to but unfortunately National Historic landmarks are not keen on bulldozers. Lol

    And don't mind me today. I'm home , stuck inside with two kids with strep. *grumpy*


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    Here's a couple of examples. One without the guts that shows the shape. The other fully intact. I could be wrong but the shape and hole for the attachment look right
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  7. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by DetectingGodlikeOnOlympus View Post
    Even though everyone on TNet calls them "dandy" buttons, they are actually macaroni buttons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaroni_(fashion)

    "Dandy" is a totally different thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandy

    I just threw that out there to confuse everyone with some truth.

    Your fragment is probably from a shoe buckle.
    Totally disagree. Dandy Button is a commonly held term for these. Not technically correct, but nor is macaroni. In fact, they are one of the same.

    If you want an Archaeological term, you would just call them large 'copper-alloy flat buttons'. Mostly plated in some way, but the base metal (at least 99% of them) is copper-alloy.

    I use 'Dandy Button' because they are published as dating from 1750-80, where as a 'large copper-alloy flat button' could date from any period. So Dandy Button narrows down the margin of error.
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  8. #23
    Image of 'Steel Buttons, Coup de Bouton', 1777. Artist: Unknown from Heritage Images
    The above is one of my favourite contemporary sources of the Dandy Fashion Buttons. I like this cartoon of the time because it reflects on the social aspect of these crazy big buttons. That the Men used them to attract the Ladies, but they were so shinny that they blinded them. Followers of fashion.
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    Hello John and Lisa,

    Seem you have a very interesting site, take your time, go low and slow and dig everything.

    Regards,

    Doc

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    Abe--excellent deducing! That could well be right. Well, it's the most ornate buckle piece we've found yet, so we'll take it! Thanks for posting. -L&J
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahab8 View Post
    Lisa I believe your mystery piece is the broken frame of a small shoe buvkle from the 18th century. It has the correct shape and the hole would have held a pin that contained the chape, tongue and spike. These were what made the connection. Old shoelace of sorts

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    Thanks, Doc! Will do. -L&J
    QUOTE=Professor of Engineering;5117683]Hello John and Lisa,

    Seem you have a very interesting site, take your time, go low and slow and dig everything.

    Regards,

    Doc[/QUOTE]

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    Luv it, Casper, thanks! -L&D
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    Scrappy, feel better soon. Try a teaspoon of honey to soothe your throat. Honey also has antibacterial properties. -L
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrappy View Post
    While I love to disagree with Mr. French fries and gravy, but that's what I would have done. And by quiet I mean no iron... no nothing. I have a 5 acre spot I did that to but unfortunately National Historic landmarks are not keen on bulldozers. Lol

    And don't mind me today. I'm home , stuck inside with two kids with strep. *grumpy*

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    Crusader, thanks for the detailed explanation and for the awesome link! Gonna go check it out now!
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER View Post
    Totally disagree. Dandy Button is a commonly held term for these. Not technically correct, but nor is macaroni. In fact, they are one of the same.

    If you want an Archaeological term, you would just call them large 'copper-alloy flat buttons'. Mostly plated in some way, but the base metal (at least 99% of them) is copper-alloy.

    I use 'Dandy Button' because they are published as dating from 1750-80, where as a 'large copper-alloy flat button' could date from any period. So Dandy Button narrows down the margin of error.

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    Abe-yes! Could be a fancy piece of a buckle. Thanks for taking the time to share these photos. Very helpful! L&J
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    Here's a couple of examples. One without the guts that shows the shape. The other fully intact. I could be wrong but the shape and hole for the attachment look right[/QUOTE]

 

 
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