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Thread: Gigantic Silver Candelabra!! Likely Looted By the NAZIs in WWII Krakow, Poland!!

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    Unbelievable recovery mate. Superb research on the origin of this amazing piece of silver. Another one of those finds we wish could tell us it's story. Great eye for snagging it from being recycled. You never know where treasure will turn up. You are a true treasure hunter in every right. Well done. And another banner vote from me.
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    That’s a really unique find. If only it could tell us what it’s seen. Wow. Kind of humbling.
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    What can one say...it’s an amazing find!
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    Amazing find and an amazing story. Congrats.
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    I love your recoveries Underminer! Once again, amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Pueblo View Post
    Nice save! Did you find out what happened to Izrael Szekman? That piece may have a lot of value to the right person.
    All I know was he was living in Poland when the Germans invaded and he was already in his 70's. He was still making silver in 1939 but no more after the German invasion afterwards. Considering his age and his location during the invasion it is highly likely that he died at the hands of the Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderMiner View Post
    All I know was he was living in Poland when the Germans invaded and he was already in his 70's. He was still making silver in 1939 but no more after the German invasion afterwards. Considering his age and his location during the invasion it is highly likely that he died at the hands of the Germans.
    I was thinking the same. If he has living descendants, they may be very interested in this.

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    You could always check Interpol’s catalogue for stolen works of art and cultural property, as well as ICOM. So very little that was looted is listed, and many items that are listed without being cultural property often stay in the hands of the finder because of no known living kin. Cultural property however must be returned, and upon handing it over the reward is issued before it is taken out of your possession and the agency bills the rightful owners.

    If you need assistance feel free to PM me, I just retired from the agency this past July but still have full login access to that part of the system. Worst that could happen is you find out that no details where ever stored on your item. Best case you find a great deal out about it and can down load all those documents.

    That is the correct way to do it if you feel you need to know more or strongly suspect it being a spoil. The Incorrect way is calling your local, state or federal law enforcement agency with your suspicions and just handing it over. The US just barely passed the Bill back in November of 2016 in regards to such cases, but there is still not a program set up and they do not even start training to use the system until late 2018.

    This means it would likely be lost in the system, and nothing would ever get done with it. It would be like placing it back in that scrap bin basically.
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    Just as most have already stated, amazing find. Even more kudos to you for the great detective work in finding out about the piece.

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    just incredible

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    Superb discovery and very interesting history, great work on salvaging and researching that big hunk of treasure! Regarding the conjectural end of things, I'd apply Occam's Razor and just assume that it came over in the early 1920s with that wealthy Jewish family and may have been broken in the cargo hold after something fell on it, or years later in some other mundane accident. There is no particularly good reason that the silver wouldn't have been immediately melted and refined by the Germans instead of them bothering trying to repair and store it for half a decade, nor a particularly good reason for a G.I. to have hauled back that big awkward and broken piece of then-modern silver back when silver was worth well less than a dollar an ounce. Amazing recoveries like that Danzig mail wagon plaque are a bit less ambiguous, but since people often jokingly refer to New York City as the "Capital of Israel" for demographically obvious reasons I'd assume the piece enjoyed an altogether unremarkable existence before being tossed. That also means no bad Juju, so fully enjoy your treasure!

 

 
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