🥇 BANNER Bucket lister-British trade musket serpent sideplate

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Closed out my 2017 hunts last week and man did I feel luckier than a lucky penny
when I pulled this intact British trade musket serpent sideplate out of the ground.
I've seen other examples posted online,but they were mostly broken off pieces.
Intact side plates are very rare cause first off these british muskets were notorious
for exploding barrels and so the sideplate would be destroyed in the process.
Also some Native tribes would "ritualistically" kill the serpent by breaking it into pieces
and burying it.
Beginning in 1690 English gun makers used decorative sideplates in place of loops
and scrolls and by the mid 1700's serpent sideplates were standard on British trade guns.
These serpent/dragon sideplates became a very important symbol of the fur trade.
For the Native,it came to mean they were getting the genuine article when they traded
the twenty or so beaver pelts it took to get a trade gun.
The snake was also spiritually significant for hunters and ensured fruitful hunting.
Indians had come to expect the trade gun had this serpent on it.
No snake,no deal.
Traders then obviously insisted upon it too.
Trade guns sporting these sideplates were also know as Northwest or Mackinaw guns.
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digging440yrs

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SaaWeeet !! That is a awesome find !! :occasion14:
 

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that's "olde world" stuff
the story you told tells much more than the find itself, the two combined make the find that more appealing

completeness counts too, spectacular recovery on that survivor
Thank you
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And that’s why I enjoy this hobby.
 

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That side plate is a survivor. Detecting something long and thin would have fooled many hunters into hitting it with their shovels. Nice extraction!

Banner all Day long. Incredible!
 

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I would have to say this is about the coolest relic recovery I have seen this year. Note, I am referring to cool factor not necessarily rarity. This amazing intact recovery is also among the best recoveries of a fragile target which could have easily been snapped into fragments I have witnessed. I have to agree with the majority this wonderful piece of history deserves a spot of honor up top. Congratulations on the find and the skill to take it out intact. Well done mate. Banner!:icon_salut:
 

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I only thought cast iron due to the lack of rust. Take 2 seconds to determine if it was cast bronze.

Thinking magnet will tell in a heart beat.
 

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They were not iron, and you can see it was green when dug.
 

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These can be dated somewhat by the style of the serpent, I believe this would be a later one. I may have a book somewhere with info, will have to look.
 

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They were not iron, and you can see it was green when dug.
I know nothing about these, but my second guess is brass, either way its copper-alloy.

I want one...lol
 

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That side plate is a survivor. Detecting something long and thin would have fooled many hunters into hitting it with their shovels. Nice extraction!

Banner all Day long. Incredible!
Thanks- sometimes a little luck helps
 

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I would have to say this is about the coolest relic recovery I have seen this year. Note, I am referring to cool factor not necessarily rarity. This amazing intact recovery is also among the best recoveries of a fragile target which could have easily been snapped into fragments I have witnessed. I have to agree with the majority this wonderful piece of history deserves a spot of honor up top. Congratulations on the find and the skill to take it out intact. Well done mate. Banner!:icon_salut:
Yes pulling-it gently out of the ground very slowly, it just kept on coming.
Couldn't believe it.
 

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Finding enough of a weapon, you get that much info, out of the relic, that you find what it used to look like (on) a complete weapon...!
Good show! :icon_thumright:
 

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